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Proposal
The SPS DAO requests the Splinterlands company reserve enough Chaos Legion Packs to provide rewards for 6 months after Chaos Legion packs have all been sold or burned. Once Rebellion Packs are available in chest rewards, any Chaos Legion packs set aside for this purpose that have not yet been distributed shall be burned.
Purpose
The company has stated there will be 3 to 6 months between Chaos Legion no longer being available in the Shop (no later than March 31st, 2023) and the availability of Rebellion packs in the store. With all SPS being staked and reward cards being Soulbound, Chaos Legion packs are the main source of "liquid" rewards.
Card ownership and the ability to freely sell or trade those cards is an important part of the Splinterlands experience. As such, these packs are some of the rewards most looked forward to by newer players and we believe they should continue to be available until such time as they can be replaced by packs from the next set.
Execution
If this proposal succeeds, the Splinterlands company will review data on the average number of Chaos Legion packs rewarded per season and remove enough packs from the store to satisfy 6 months (12 seasons) at that level of distribution.
These packs will be held in reserve and distributed to players in Ranked Rewards chests at their current rate of distribution.
The timing of removing these packs is at the company's discretion but must be done with enough time to set aside a sufficient number of packs to cover the requested time period.
Once Rebellion packs are available in Ranked Rewards chests, any Chaos Legion packs reserved for this purpose and not yet distributed will be burned.
Background
This proposal was most recently suggested to me by @warrentrx and has been mentioned a few times in the main Splinterlands Discord. The urgency for this proposal was increased with the Splinterlands company recently announcing the decision to take 500,000 Chaos Legion packs off the market.
While the Chaos Legion packs belong to Splinterlands and as such are not in the purview of the DAO, @genepoolchlrn8r has had discussions with the Splinterlands company leadership that confirms they would honor this proposal should it pass.
Conclusion
We believe earning NFTs in chests is an important part of the Splinterlands experience. These proposal seeks to preserve that by maintaining Chaos Legion packs in Ranked Rewards chests until such time as Rebellion packs are available.
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Great proposal! For context, by my calculations this should require 300k packs to be reserved, which should be quite doable.
I'm curious why you believe this to be a great proposal? CL is the only expansion which has been burned, clearly this indicates it's the only over printed supply. If this passes it will also be the only expansion with packs retained beyond when they would otherwise exist to continue being dispersed. It was not done with untamed, there was a period where no packs were rewarded. And I highly doubt it will be done with Rebellion, there will likely be a period of time after Rebellion sells out where packs of Rebellion are not rewarded while we wait for the next release, would you not agree? So I don't see why the one over printed expansion is the only one that should be retained like this for additional rewards. We could reward tokens for future Rebellion packs, RW packs, or even the mini-set if that comes to fruition.
This has my support, I'm all for it.
Thanks for this. I agree with this idea and am glad the team will honor this.
I'm into it and it has my vote. As someone who usually plays around the gold level, I'd say the packs should be distributed disproportionately, if not entirely, to new and low level players (bronze, silver). That would help increase their engagement and make them stickier users.
This may be especially beneficial to new user retention in the period where they cannot buy new packs directly through the Splinterlands shop. There's a lot of cards now. That's amazing and exciting, but also challenging and a barrier to entry for new players. Buying new packs is a good way to discover new cards and the experience of opening a new pack and that occasional lucky draw are some of the most fun parts of collecting the cards. I don't want to deprive new players of that.
its good that you said you are playing in gold but to my understanding of the situation on the ground is, the new player will hardly get any pack in chest unless he is playing at least in silver 1 of which he wont be regarded as a new player by that time unless if am missing something here. I believe the guys who are going to get the chuck of these chests are the higher league guys and oh yes maybe that is the true definition of new players 😃
Yes, I think you're right about the higher ranked players getting these packs. They probably don't need them. As a middle range player who has been around long enough to build up a nice deck, I'd rather see more people come into the game and drive demand. This is all self-interested on my part, properly understood.
I'm generally in favor of this and will vote yes for the pre-proposal, but before voting on the main proposal it would be helpful if we had some ballpark figures of how many packs we're talking about. I had a similar problem with the land survey potions proposal, where I don't feel like I have enough information to make an informed decision.
acredito que independfente do numero, ele deve se enquadrar no que temos ainda dipoinivel no mercado das 15M de Pecks CL.
I agree, it should fit. But it will take at least 14 days for this to get approved. That means minimum 350k packs burned by then (if they don't sell out first). So doing some quick math:
1.8m packs remaining now
This isn't even including all of the packs people will want to buy near the end of the set. So if we assume people want to buy 500k themselves this would only leave around 2500 packs per day for chests (keep in mind there will be large spikes during EoS chest openings).
Maybe this is more than enough. I simply don't know how many packs are given out per day in chests. So that's why I was hoping to get some rough figures about how many we're consuming today.
last time we fought each other. but now i'm on your side!
Good proposal.
I'll vote for it, good idea to move this item up in importance before its too late. Way to go @genepoolchlrn8r
Anyone voting yes on this, please consider voting no on this to keep the CL inflation down, and instead voting yes on a proposal to reward Pack tokens. Then each token will be redeemable for a pack of Rebellion upon release. The more CL we burn the better, and you'll still have packs to play for.
instead, we are supposed to vote yes for a proposal that does not exist. you are quite a funny guy!
I almost agree with you but not doing this lends itself to more botting because the way the rewards split is for scholaring out your deck on the NFTY platform is that the owner gets the packs. We need this scholaring system to stay rewarding and working to both the lender and the borrower to counter botting. I just built up a silver deck and lent it out on that platform. Getting the packs lets me continue to build up the deck during downtimes and prevents botting by providing an enticing rewards system with zero upfront costs.
If these packs aren't getting rewarded as part of my split that now pushes me to the alternative which is renting out my extra cards and there is no current system in place to stop bots from renting out my cards.
The only thing I can think of that would cut down on bots renting my cards is letting us place a filter on our rentals based on SPS staked so "do not rent to accounts with less than X amount SPS staked." I don't know why that is not there already, seems like a common sense right I should have as a card lender.
Love getting packs in chests. 👍
I believe it's a good proposal, it won't be these rewards that prevented the appreciation of the CL collection, voting against is thinking about the short term and nothing else.
More supply = less long term value. lol It's the literal definition of inflation. So, if you want your cards to have value in the future, you'd call that LONG term. Short term desire is wanting a reward now.
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Updated At: 2023-02-14 01:04 UTC
I would rather not see any held off for this purpose. If everyone was playing themselves id vote for it but as long as the majority of the packs would be going to folks using a bot its a waste IMO.
when i started with splinterlands it was just the phase before there were cl packs in the rewards. the time when the packs came in the boxes was much better for me as a new player. so i think if we do this ``marketing'' with nyft now, it might be better if the new players can have a pack in their rewards, that would definitely be a plus for their gaming experience!
Ive been here since just before CL and I like that they started doing it because the supply was still so bloated but now that we are at the end id honestly like for them to either go towards getting new players like Nfty, or maybe setting aside 100k-250k for Draft tournaments. Even if its 9 months away. I feel like in 9 months CL will be more than 4$ so paying for 12-20 packs at 4$ in draft mode would be super appealing to everyone. If the mode isnt developed then burn the packs.
i don't think we have time for such a decision. if we don't act fast the packs will be burned
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Good Proposal
i agree... will vote yes.
I truly think we shouldn't see more packs of chaos legion ever again and there is coming another packs? PLEASE STOOOOOOP!!! Stop flooding the market! give the game a year or two to spread the GAZILLION of collection power flooding the market...
Yep, you understand what is needed. It's not fair to all who paid top dollar for the older cards, which are now losing value due to mass printing.
Great proposal, exactly what was on my mind. Love getting packs in reward chests.
Its a good proposal but I think we need data to know how many of these chests will actually benefit a new player because to my understanding the probabilities of getting the chests in the lower leagues is way less than the diamond players so if we reserve these packs I don't believe it will benefit much the new players because they will hardly get the packs in rewards
More than good proposal. Even after a long time, keeping the packs in rewards is something very contradictory, it will be the only one with this purpose so far. utammeted didn't have that, it's total crap
I have no clue what to make from this. More than good - total crap?
You got my vote I like the idea of having the packs in the rewards chests. I love souldbound rewards and the reason their in place but i also like getting NFTS I can sell whenever it is why I joined.
Great idea i will be voting it up
I think in general this is a good idea but I also think that if they go ahead with this for CL that they should also plan to reserve packs from future sets to do the same thing again.
lying proposal, its real name is: Reserve packs to distribute to robots and champions. fuck the players!
How exactly does this benefit new players? The drop rate for pack in bronze and silver, where one assumes most new players reside, is 0.005% and 0.05%. That means a very real chance that new players never receive a pack between the end of CL print and beginning of Rebellion. This is putting the majority of that 300k pack in the hands of bot farms (that capitalize on the law of large numbers) and higher tier players (that likely have all the CL cards they need). IMO all this really does is trickle out additional small supply of CL to [maybe slightly] suppress prices until rebellion comes out. That might help new players as cards would remain cheaper in the interim between main sets, but this proposal does not really explicitly benefit a new players. The main benefactors here are Champ players (high pack drop rates) and bot farms (massive volume of rewards).