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RE: SPS Governance Proposal - Alternate Solution to Address Bot Farms & Wild/Modern Format Discrepancies

in #spsproposal7 months ago

Fair points but just the mentality of having to pay to play now I think is going to have a negative impact over all on new players etc. I could very well be wrong but that's just my two cents on the topic.

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Correct, it will be negative for new players but the whole point is that new players will begin in modern, no new player should be starting in wild. If new players become old players over time, they may transition to wild and buy more wild cards then, but by that stage they are no longer a new player.

I personally think this idea is genius and should have been implemented long ago. I personally can't think of a single downside for the game (and as a wild only player/botter).

When CL rotates out of modern, it is still going to be the cheapest way to get into the game by far. And you can currently buy maxed untamed cards for as little as $6 (and dropping quickly). That won't be the case with rebellion or the next set until they rotate to Wild. So, new players are going to be attracted to wild and they will be confronted with a choice. Either they can buy a bunch of powerful and inexpensive cards and start playing in Wild (and have to pay to play-yuck!) or they can dump a bucket of money on modern cards but skip the pay to play. Both options have an element of feeling bad and that means most players will not stick around.

That was kind of where my head was at @imno I mean it makes ok sense now I guess but next year when the new pack drops I don't see it being a good option but I guess we burn that bridge when we get there again?

Hey Cryptoeater! I agree there are benefits to this idea, but to say there aren't downsides isn't true. Like anything in life, there will be trade offs.

For one, this earlier comment you made elsewhere :

The amount you pay should be less than the additional amount you earn, since a large amount of bots will stop playing and thus they will stop extracting.

While more of the pool will be available for the remaining players, this statement will not be true for all players. The immediate effect will effectively chop off the bottom of the distribution and reallocate the reward pool across the player base that is paying the fee. But some of those players will not recover their season pass fee. This is simply logic... because if every player could recover, then profit-seeking bots will scale back in until the bottom is unprofitable again.

A second notable downside is it will reduce the demand and utility of low bcx wild cards. Low BCX cards have limited value on land and will probably be at the bottom end of value in wild ranked due to competitive forces. So the floor prices could be quite unstable. I suppose we will see there, markets are gonna market anyways.

Finally, the third downside I've thought about is that the ranked playerbase in wild is likely to erode from the bottom, just like we saw in Modern. If lower value accounts drop from wild, and fewer bots are profitable, then maxed wild decks will start to reset lower and lower, creating a similar chokepoint in ranked leagues like we see in modern currently.

All in all, there are some clear benefits to this proposal, and I don't want to be all doom and gloom.

But I'd also urge you to temper your enthusiasm and remember that nothing comes without tradeoffs.

Players that have bought bronze and silver wild decks may not be able to sell them economically to rotate to modern and may feel abandoned. I wanted to give them a voice so I've encouraged them to tell their stories here.