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RE: SPS Governance Proposal - Alternate Solution to Address Bot Farms & Wild/Modern Format Discrepancies

in #spsproposal7 months ago

@davemccoy,
Can we just acknowledge some of the slew other things that will happen?

  1. New players will be blocked out from playing in Wild and never come back to the game. (Because Modern/Bronze is an unmitigated hellscape)
  2. Casual players won't want to pay to play a few games/season and will leave the game.
  3. By reducing the Reward Multiplier, we will reduce the amount of SPS rented by the accounts in Wild (which make up 95% of the active accounts in SPL)- further eroding the value of SPS.
  4. Increase the overall % of botted accounts- the fee/season will only make sense if you 'play' 300+ games/season and only bots do that consistently.

Currently, the only way for a single (player) account to compete with bots is through the multiplier- cut that by half and the bots do better.

I do agree- there a dozens of simpler and more effective ways to achieve the stated goals but this.... well this proposal will have the opposite effect. Selling pressure on assets, preventing new engagement, forcing out current players, rewarding bots.

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Obviously there are a lot of people that think your way, but there are also many people that think differently, including me.

To answer your questions:

  1. new players are going to be incentivized to play Modern, that is the intent. The hellscape you refer to is currently being addressed by liquidity bot solution, and if they need more tools then they can change the +/- ratio, and also fix the reset. So this is a false argument imo, simply because they will figure out how to attract and retain NEW players in Modern and Wild format is irrelevant to that issue.

  2. If we have such players that only want to play such a few amount of matches each season, then they are certainly in the minority. There are plenty of places where they can get a "few matches" without paying this fee, primarily Brawls or Tournaments. In addition, they can play Modern for FREE. So this argument is silly if you ask me.

  3. The reward multiplier is not getting reduced, the amount of SPS required to be staked is rising. Those are 2 different things. So I definitely do not agree with your conclusion, the opposite would be true.

  4. This will get rid of at least 60k of the 75k botted accounts. In fact I could see it getting rid of up to 65k. So this is wrong to say that botted accounts will benefit. The people that will benefit will be the ones that 1) have a lot of good cards an 2) stake more SPS than those that are left after all the botnets leave.

I realize some people don't want this to happen so they have created in their minds all the negative reasons why it will be bad. But in reality, that doesn't make those arguments true.

There's a reason why a lot of players support this too, and those players have old cards, SPS, new cards, invest in current sets, rent cards, play land, etc... If people just want to win an argument, or they want to talk themselves into this being bad, then its up to them. But if they want to see the truth an look a bit into the future, then they will see that all those players that support this were not crazy, greedy, stupid, or evil. We have a view that the leaching of the reward system was a drain on the economy that was unstainable and long overdue to stop. This will do that, and the game will be on solid footing after this is over.

I hope you come along for the ride, but I understand if you or others don't want to as well.

Ahhh, Dave. So simple, so naive.
While the other proposal (put bots back in Modern) does exist and while it may mitigate some of the nightmarishness of that format- it has it's own issues, so let's not engage in magical thinking but instead concentrate on this proposal.

  1. According to Matt's numbers ~45K of the 75K accounts playing in Wild, play <= 50 games/season- which according to my calculations is not 'a minority'
  2. Increasing the amount of SPS to get the same multiplier IS reducing the multiplier/SPS- it's simple math. If 10K SPS = 8x changes to 20K = 8x, then the multiplier/SPS has gone down.
  3. Yes, this proposal will 'get rid of' (at least) 60K active accounts, of the 75K currently playing in Wild- all the ones that remain will be bots.

I did not 'create in my mind' these reasons why it will be bad- these are real, actual reasons this will not achieve the stated goals. In fact, I never said it would be bad- in fact I believe it will be beneficial, for many. Accounts that don't own/rent cards or SPS but play many games, for example, will do really, really well.

talking to you on Discord, we are very far apart on quite a few things :)