I have a lot of respect for you @yabapmatt, and knowing how much you turn things over in your head I can imagine that seeing you in the current situation with SL must be very unpleasant.
However, I don't like the tone of this proposal. And I don't like the general sentiment of the Splinterlands Vs Hive community AT ALL. I won't go into the details which I'm sure you already know.
I'll use this comment to throw some questions in the air:
Instead of a ‘donation’, have you thought about proposing that the Splinterlands DAO ‘sell’ SPS to the Hive DAO?
SL receives the funds, X amount of SPS is locked in scrow and when times are better that SPS is sold by Hive.
Instead of abandoning hive completely, why not multichain'?
With the thousands of transactions SL does daily, I doubt very much that going to solana/base/enjin/polygon is going to improve in terms of UX (no matter how little tx costs, we are talking about a LOT of transactions, EVERY DAY). And then, I don't know to what extent we're talking about selling your ‘soul’ to the devil (VC's).
But I understand the point of exposure that other chains have and not Hive. Speaking in purely business terms it is the way it is.
Even if SL gets a bounty (from hive or another chain, it doesn't matter), I don't need to tell you that if the game doesn't make enough money in 6-12-18 months we will be in the same problem.
I will probably end up voting for the proposal (although I don't think my vote will be enough to make a difference either), but I still wanted to express some of these things I had in mind.
Lots of strength.
We have absolutely no plans to abandon Hive in any way, regardless of whether or not we get support from the DHF. The proposal was simply trying to point out that we may be forced to if we are forced to sell the company or take significant outside investment in order to stay in operation. It's actually a big fear of mine that this might happen, and it is the unfortunate reality that I was trying to get across in the post, although it seems I didn't explain it well.
Yes, that is definitely a possibility. Receiving support from the DHF will certainly help our chances of returning to profitability but does not guarantee anything. It is up to the Hive community to decide if the potential reward is worth the risk.
Understood.
All things considered, I will vote on the proposal in the next few days.
Much appreciated your help with the proposal! You are my hero at the moment.
Your unvoting of return will secure the buffer as we are barely funded, you action we be the safety.
Many thanks
Hey azir, no need to say thanks though. I only care about Hive (and by extension about Splinterlands) and for that simple reason I want the best outcome for us all.
Right now I'm still voting for both proposals (Return prop + SPL + prop) since it's being funded atm I won't unvote the return proposal (for now).
I'll keep checking frequently, If I see that SPL losses the funding I'll unvote the return proposal by then.
I think that from Hive we are funding via DHF a lot of things that do not deserve to be funded. Vague targets, no reporting, etc.
I think we agree that SPL has screwed up in several things but it has something that the rest of the proposals don't have. Historical data and therefore results to show.
It deserves at least the benefit of the doubt. Let's hope we're not wrong about this.
Cheers mate :)
Yes. Agree on all that. Sad news is few hive people care about DHF and even fewer can impact because we don’t have enough stake. We can potentially change both.
For that reason we should keep working in a stronger 'middle class'.
But to do this we need something that could be very difficult to materialise: to get more people to see HIVE as a valuable asset to own. And the ‘how’ of this is itself the million dollar (or billion!) question. Topic for another day though.
Hopefully funding for SPL keeps secured. I'm happy to see how the development of this proposal has grown. I was genuinely concerned that the proposal would remain in limbo at 10-20M HP.
A stronger middle class is absolutely needed. I consider myself one. It’s difficult not to sell during good time when hive goes to 50 cents or higher. Many sold and left. Are they better off? Maybe. Are they impacting hive governance? No.
It’s a conscious choice and the long term commitment to the chain.
Also regarding your limbo comment; that was the view of many including the founders. So they never tried. I said you don't know the outcome until you try
I think It's already multichain, right?!
When I refer to multichain I mean the fact that ‘SPS Chain’ is built with a more flexible approach that addresses running on multiple chains (instead of being ‘just’ a Hive L2).
In this way (maybe) Splinterlands could convince some external investor who would only invest if SPS was in Solana/Eth, for example.
Obviously I don't know the details, but this is what I was referring to.