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RE: HF19: Is This What We Want? (Spam Self Vote Galore)

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As one example, I upvoted my comment 1% on this post. Now this discussion is the first one someone sees when they read the comments on this post. That's influence. That's "power" given to holders of Steem Power. Adjusting the order of comments is an example of how I think self-voting can be used without it being abusive to anyone else.

I also see a good argument for no self-voting, but due to sybil attack concerns, it's not really something that can be stopped as people will (and unfortunately do) create sock-puppet accounts to upvote their own posts anyway.

Currently the steemit interface defaults to voting up your own post when you create. A comment isn't much different than a regular post as far as the blockchain is concerned, it just has a parent where the other does not. Each comment can be viewed via Steemit as a separate post. So, to be consistent, we might want to also talk about not upvoting your own full posts. ChainBB, as example, defaults to off. You have to go in and vote your post up manually if want to.

Some argue "Well, people put more effort into a post than a comment." That's usually true (and especially true in the case of spam comments), but sometimes I put a lot of effort into a comment and get very little reward for it. Does that mean I should vote up my comment? Is that justified based on the "effort" involved? Now we get to the slippery slope of defining subjective value. :)

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Great comment Luke. Upvoting your own comments is like licking your own balls anyway so a bg no no. Unless you really like lcking your own balls of course.

regarding the upvote for your own post. I think its a way to reward yourself for the good content you just have posted. A small token of gratitude from the blockchain for being part of it and actively contributing to it. Unfortunately people will use either one the wrong way eventually.

Bck to thi post: I reckon the guy doing this has another, high level account on steemit itself and is pissing his pants because he is subject of this post. He probably upvoted it too.

I think its a way to reward yourself for the good content you just have posted.

Can't my own comment be good content and not ball-licking? Why the distinction?

Sure it can be good content. But it's really up to the original poster if he finds your comment "Worthwile". I think that there lies the distinction. The upvote for your own post is imo considered as a reward from the blockchain whereas the upvote on your comment is more like laughing at your own joke. Leave it to others to decide if your comment is good or not. If it's good people should upvote. Unfortunately it doesn't work like this around here.

I see greed is taking over. Instead of upvoting good content from new writers the whales tend to upvote only the people they already upvote. They have created exactly that what they opposed in the first place: A rich 1%. Congratz, you have all the power. However, what they fail to realise is that the coin only will grow in worth if a lot of it is distributed to newcomers with good content.

And when that fails people will resort to other ways of getting rewarded, like crypto-p for example. In fact, I think I should write a post on this exact theory. On the other hand, no one will actually read it nor upvote it anyway so maybe I should not bother.

Best thing the whales can do is hold on to their power and steem so they can go down with it once they wrecked their own ship. That's the way its going to be if they don't start to redistribute that what they have. And that would be an incredible shame.

They have the power to make this network worth ten times over but choose to stick to what they have. That way it will never grow to its full potential.

Several curation trails have been set up which I believe is a good thing. That way good people will be stimulate the writers to grow. And yes, I am talking about rewards. As for me, I am typing about 5 hours a day and am active the rest of the day (On Steem or Discord) but my rewards suck big time. I literally work for less than 1 dollar an hour. And I am not the only one.

But I know things will change, at least for me. That doesn't mean I get impatient. I get impatient when other people promise things and earn big money out of that promise but fail to follow up to that promise.

WOW... I just got the typing demon. Sorry.

Should have started a post LOL

I've seen similar comments for almost 12 months. All versions of "It's not fair! They are making more than me! No one sees my posts!" You're new here, so it's understandable. I was also a minnow, plus I invested some of my own real money early on. Then I continued working hard to build a following by providing valuable content and seeing the good things here instead of just pointing out the bad. I agree, if you stick around and continue to add value, you will be rewarded. As for me, I'm not interested (yet) in following you because the negativity so far displayed doesn't interest me. It may interest others.

The upvote for your own post is imo considered as a reward from the blockchain whereas the upvote on your comment is more like laughing at your own joke.

I see that as a subjective opinion, as you said. It's just an opinion.

(As I dont figured out how to quote)"As for me, I'm not interested (yet) in following you because the negativity so far displayed doesn't interest me." - Thats exactly what I get when you don't read my blog :( It's actually quite funny. Some say the funniest stuff they've read on steemit ever. You are invited to take a look at my writings. You might want to reconsider.

As for the rest of your reply: I'm a it stressed out now due to the fact I'm in the middle of my wedding preperations (upcoming saturday). That's why I might seem a bit too much "in your face".

I'm actually not complaining because I know how this works. I will work hard and type even harder to get there. It is as it is. Just saying that the top 1% has the power to make it for serious newcomes a bit more "rewarding". That way steemit will grow, the value of steem will grow etc etc...

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Congrats on the wedding! :)

I'll give it a look. Glad to know your comments here are not the only facet of your contributions to the network.

the value of steem will grow

It also grows when others invest money to become the new 1%.

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MAN YOU'RE A GENIUS

I was just thinking @cem @lukestokes and others, that our comments should make it into a post!

They should. We deserve that. Lol

Totally feeling it, @cem