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RE: Pierre-Joseph Proudhon on the Republic and Socialism

in #socialism7 years ago

All systems have very good ideals and aims, socialism, democracy, anarchy, communism, all have good intentions, but all of them have to face the fact that human beings are greedy and will never be satisfied with what is allotted to them, which is why eventually all systems fail, there will always be someone who wants more, more control, more power, more land, more everything and despite all the idealistic people in the world nothing can change this.

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There's no such thing as perfection, but there are better and worst systems. The key is to create institutions that balance or limit power, make it harder to abuse power, etc. Representative democracy with representative recall is a hell of a lot better than a totalitarian dictator with no checks on his power. Anarchism and socialism, in particular, are kind of based on the assumption that people tend towards corruption and abuse of power, which is why they seek to reduce or eliminate unnecessary power relations.

Representative democracy is a cauldron of corruption, you just have to look around any country that is supposed to be a democracy it's just a huge pot of corruption, anywhere, EU, UK,US Japan, South Korea, Australia etc and every once in a while they create a scandal someone goes to jail and everyone says see democracy works, theft doesn't pay, but in reality it does pay, these are just shows for the public. As for a totalitarian dictator, look I'm from Honduras, we have a representative democracy and we have consistently been the poorest country in Latin America for the last 100 years, we try to hide behind Haiti, but Haiti is not really a part of Latin America except to keep Honduras out of last place, hell, you look at statistics and we are in fact worse off than Venezuela, Nicaragua for years was a totalitarian dictatorship under Somoza and they were way better off than us, so no, representative democracy is no great deal.

Non sequitur. Democracy is a necessary condition for justice, but not a sufficient one. I mean, if you have representative democracy but don't enact the right economic reforms, then democracy won't do you any good. If the economic structure creates poverty, recessions, lack of progress, and inequality, then representative democracy is no help UNLESS it is used as a means of changing economic arrangements.

Now we've come full circle, I told you things don't work for the simple reason humans won't let them work, why are we even going on with this, democracy is never going to be used for changing the lives of the wretched because people are greedy, merciless and egoists, I told you all ideologies have good ideals but none are going to work, what you are doing is presenting excuses, forget it they won't work.