Yes. One thing I notice sometimes, in the moment someone can say "Oh I've been proven wrong" and then later they change back to how they were... Everyone's guilty of it a little. Hopefully Shermer doesn't do that.

Sheldrake talks about a skeptic who he admires a lot, but I can't remember the fellow's name. They've worked together and shared a stage. The guy doesn't believe in psi phenomena at all, but he's always open-minded to consider other ideas. I'll see if I can remember his name.