Ok before I make my point Stan claims Jesus is God this is his own word I copy and paste to make my case. This is what he is saying.
Jesus said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad." "You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!" - John 8:56-58 This is the same Lord who spoke to Moses from the burning bush and called Himself "I AM" in Exodus 3:14.
It was the pre-incarnate Jesus that Abraham unsuccessfully pleaded with to save Sodom and Gomorra from destruction in Genesis 18:16-33.
Jesus refers to Himself as Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last in both Old and New Testaments: Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no God
Now to prove my point just like the Quran says, "Christians are misguided" and I am talking about some "innocent Christians"
Point number: 1 if Jesus, P.B.U.H, is God "Alpha and Omega" why call out to the "Father"
Point no2: in John 16:15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
My? Is which one is he God or the son of God? He can't be both either e.g if I have a son and I am tha father, I would be called "Cryptosteem senior" and my son will be junior" that's why the trinity is a lie.
My friend, you simply don't understand the concept of the Trinity.
There is one God in three persons.
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one God but able to interact with each other.
Hard for us mere humans to understand, but correct and consistent throughout the Old and New Testaments.
Jesus said, "Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father."
And from Isaiah 9:6 (go look yourself):
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.…
Your illustration is very good. Thanks for posting.
With all due respect words can be manipulated, but the facts will always remain as facts. if he was all 3in1 why crie out to the father when he was allegedly being crucified?
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
This right here is absolute proof that Muhammad was not a true prophet. He did not know God. This is also John's definition of the Antichrist. "He who denies the Father and the Son."
I have shown you overwhelming evidence from Scripture.
You should seek an understanding that harmonizes ALL words of Scripture.
Instead, you accept only those that point to the three persons and not to the fact that they are all One God.
Your position is false because it requires you to ignore every verse I have shown you in this thread and other threads over the past two months.
Stan let's be honest u clearly stated. Why you will never give up Christianity. Even if I show u proff, God has no son, and why trinity is blaspheme! you will only refute me, but just as u want good for humanity so do I. but only God can guide whom he wants.
again ur contradicting ur self. "He who denies the father and the son" this is clearly talking about 2 different enter-ties. So he can't be "The Alfa & Omega"
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.