The distinction is between effective and ineffective activism. The question is, do you think a vegan diet is an effective (put your money where your mouth is) way to protest the animal exploitation industries?
Also are many of you aware that there is a law called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act which has been used to lock up animal rights activists?
The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (AETA) is a United States federal law (Pub.L. 109–374; 18 U.S.C. § 43) that prohibits any person from engaging in certain conduct "for the purpose of damaging or interfering with the operations of an animal enterprise."[1] The statute covers any act that either "damages or causes the loss of any real or personal property" or "places a person in reasonable fear" of injury.
The AETA sets the rules for which forms of protest are likely to be effective whilst also remaining low risk. To avoid risk would mean to take the forms of protests least likely to trigger AETA to take effect whilst also promoting activities which reduce unnecessary animal suffering.
For dedicated vegans and animal rights activists:
- Would you be willing to lie in order to promote veganism and or to protect animals?
- Would you be willing to do activities which are legal but are commonly seen by mainstream society as unethical to promote and protect animals?
References
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Enterprise_Terrorism_Act
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Huntingdon_Animal_Cruelty
- http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/animal-rights-group-ends-15-year-campaign-against-experiments-at-huntingdon-9687843.html
- https://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/25/exclusive_animal_rights_activist_jailed_at
let them eat cake
vegans vs omnivores?? divide and rule again
what we have to see is that meat production as it stands is unhealthy, the feedlots and farm factories raise livestock that is tortured 24/7, animals suffer all their lives... and their meat is therefore filled with toxins caused by stress/fear/poor quality feeds and sanitation (they live in their excrement). Hence are they stuffed with antibiotics and other drugs to stay alive until slaughter, while in fact most meat in improper for consumption. It is known for example that almost 80% of pigs have a lung disease when slaughtered
People who eat such meat are really ignorant... the issue is much more about than diet... and one wonders why cancers are skyrocketing... look no further, the food chain is completely toxic.
Then also, the human body has enough with 2lbs worth of meat weekly... so all this animal suffering is really sustaining human brainwashing too.
Bon appetit
A vegan diet is an effective form of slow suicide. Your brain will end up getting slowly consumed by the rest of your body as it harvests the saturated fat to make up for the lack of those necessary fats in your diet.
You really say whatever, I have been vegan-vegetarian for about 15 years and doing fine. Extreme are never good. But I know people who eat 2lbs worth of meat daily and they do not know how bad it is for their kidneys.
Kidneys are the organs the most sought in the west for transplants, something to chew on
One gets proteins from essential amino acids, one just has to know which plants have them, some more than others.
I never heard of this, where do you pull this from? I have walnuts and they have saturated fat. Where do you get the idea that you can't get saturated fat being vegetarian?
Write up a full-length post on this, good sir or madam, and you will have my vote. (Followed)
I will add it to my to-post list.
Right now that list is absurdly long, but yes, eventually I'll do a post on how vegans are autocannabilistic.
What you mean is catabolic not cannibalist. Catabolism is actually how people lose weight and yes vegetarians tend to be on the lower side of the BMI but this is not necessarily a negative in terms of health. It depends on how the body is composed (muscle to fat) and not so much how big the body is.
I look forward to seeing your post on this topic.
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Hunger strikes do sometimes work. Call it a selective essential nutrient deprivation diet.
Money seems to be what the vast majority believes is important. Not giving money to those who the individual doesn't support usually has some sort of effect.
As a Vegan I can answer both questions with No and No
As a vegan myself I'm not sure how much of a protest it is other than voting with your dollars by not purchasing animal products. That's where the real power is. You can liken it to pointless political actions that may create some awareness but in the end really accomplish nothing. It's also not right to damage property in the name of animal rights. In my view the best way to effect change is to raise your own consciousness and lead by example. Which kind of negates my first comment. ha!
I'd say sure, without a doubt. It's the exact goal of veganism.
Withdrawing one's financial consent is certainly an effective method, although you will not see results alone. It's only as effective as the proportion of products you buy.
i dont know more about this...but i protect animals @dana-edwards
When it comes down to it, what IS farming?
Make a list of things that happen to animals at a farm. Everything that is done to animals there, write it down in farming-terms, and then write it again as what you'd call it if it was done to humans.
If we did to humans what we do to farm animals, how would people feel about it?
we agree this time... people should go hunt themselves and process the animals they killed, that would be an enriching experience. Farm factories are HELL
anybody not understand the point here, just have to on google image and type in: farm factories... the pictures will make you scream
I wouldn't be willing to lie because you can lie but it will catch up to you, it's better to be honest and show how you really feel. Yes , it may not get you anywhere , but it's the thought that counts
To answer your title and questions - Yes, no, probably not. What are your thoughts on those answers?
In my own opinion, i do not think it is an effective way, their is no moral justification of what to eat or not to eat- be it meat or forages...
I recently started removing meat from my diet, and moving towards a more vegan diet, because I felt like it was one of the ways I could show the world, through my choices that I am protesting against the cruel way animals are treated in the factory farms, and other manufacturing industries. I don't know how effective it is, but it seems like one of the few things I can do in order to change the world right now. In my own little way.
Do you think this is virtue signaling? Is virtue signaling a thing?
In the politics of today it is sure used like a thing, but my opinion is no it's meaningless drivel.
Done vote give me back
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I'm sorry but I can't hear what you're saying over how awesome my animal products taste.
Cardiovascular disease is the number one killer for a reason. Eating for taste alone causes health problems for a lot of people and obesity.
Cardiovascular disease like most other diseases is determined by genetics and not by what you eat. We have all heard stories or have people in our families that smoked all their lives or eaten diets filled with fat that live longer than those who follow a more healthy life style.
I'm just sayin.
Lifestyle and genetics play a role. We cannot pin it all on lifestyle because some people have good genes but we cannot pin it on genes because some people with good genes have bad lifestyles.
So yes if you lack a specific gene (and it is rare I might add) then your LDL will be close to zero for your entire life and you'll never get heart disease even if you smoke. These people tend to be shorter than the general population and the genes are rare but they do exist and a vaccine has been made based on it.
To be specific, the people who lack the PKS9 gene are immune to some forms of cardiovascular disease. If you want to find out if you have the gene or not then get a genetic screening and see if you're immune to heart disease or not and decide what to do based on your specific profile.
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This is a great response. This is the first time I hear such a descriptive explanation into heart disease immunity.
Thank you.
Animal rights activists should first fly to Africa and protest infront of lions who kill innocent animals daily.
When they figure out how to stop such massacres and inhumane treatment of zebras and gazelles, I might stop and take time to consider their illogical nonsense.
wow... that is really so smart... errr... what a dumb comment
Of course, the vegans will force lions to eat vegetables too @earthcustodians?
Then they will be just massacaring living plants, who also feel pain and have emotions.🤔
another dumb statement
man is not an animal and when he thinks he is, he becomes a lot worse than an animal
have you ever seen any FAT animal in the wild by any chance? What is the (human) obesity rate in the so-called rich nations?
It's fact! Facts are not dumb! Bleeding heart leftists who can't think rationally are dumb.
There are plenty of wild animals who are fat. Bears massacsring salmon and gorging on them for example.
To take your moronic argument further, vegans kill plants! Plants feel pain. Killing plants is inhumane! Stop killing innocent plants @earthcustodians.
If enough people would do that, it would be enough as money is pretty powerful in a capitalist society.
But if you want to maximize your own effect, it is not enough. For not I'm sticking to the easy stuff (I'm still a vegetarian so I still support animal farming with my money) and talking to people, helping spread the idea.
I have a few people that have changed their diets in my life partially due to me, but I wouldn't dare try and take the major credit.
So I think I'm not very effective in what I'm doing.
I wouldn't be willing to break many laws, but if I see really pointless ones, I might take one for the time. It has to be noted that I live under a very different jurisdiction from the US and the court system here is quite corrupt too on top of the laws.
Economically speaking becoming vegan is completely futile and may actually damage the cause more.
You buy meat and have a choice of two local farms. As you drive past one, you see that the cows are well fed and well looked after. You drive past the other and see they are thin and sick. Naturally, you'll buy from the better condition animals, simply because the other doesn't look healthy and that won't taste or be as healthy for the consumer.
The poor quality farmer has two choices. To lower the price of the beef to a point where it becomes loss-making, or to increase quality to the level of the good farmer.
Now you decide to become vegan and not buy from either farmer. This means both farmers have to cut corners to produce meat at a price they can sustain and that the remaining buyers will buy at. (or they can raise prices and people will go to alternate meats and substitutes).
By withdrawing funding for the good farmer and removing the incentive for the poor farmer to improve you actually negatively impact both farmers and in consequence the remaining consumers.
The best option is to buy as much meat as you want from the good farmer enabling him/her to expand and potentially buy out the poor farmer or send a signal to the poor farmer that they could do better in terms of finance, reputation, and animal welfare if he upped his game.
However, what veganism really does is tell the world you've been sucked in by left wing ideals that run contrary to nature and are ultimately destructive to everyone, including the livestock.