I'm honestly surprised that people are still debating transgenderism in terms of how regular people should "deal with it." I wish I could put this in the pile of things I don't give a shit about, but it's finally time for me to step in with a little perspective. This has become a really really dumb wedge distraction issue and there is a way we can move on from this embarrassing little episode of human history like adults.
First, the consistent application of respect for property rights is essential here. Everyone has the right to do what they want with their own body, end of story. Where this becomes an issue is with freedom of association and trying to control others. If you want your right to not associate with someone to be respected, you have to respect the rights of others to set the rules on their own property. And unless you want government agents checking everyone's gender at bathroom entrances, shut the fuck up and let businesses set their own policies. And if you DO want TSA in your Target, you should just shut up so you can stop embarrassing yourself.
As for how you address people, if you don't address people how they want to be addressed, (as long as we're talking names and genders) you're just a dick. Don't be a dick. Sure, you have the right to free speech and decent people have a right to leave you to people who enjoy your company if you can find them.
Now before you try to tell me about normalizing mental illness, try putting your knee jerk reactions and pathetic attempts to justify your discomfort aside, so you don't get embarrassed here. Being kind and compassionate to people with mental illness isn't normalizing mental illness, it's normalizing BEING KIND AND COMPASSIONATE to EVERYONE, regardless of whether or not they have a mental health issue.
There. That should do it. Can we all be grown ups about this now?
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"Don't be a dick" is always a good policy. Unless you want everyone else to be a dick to you - and that's just simple application of the golden rule.
I think most people don't want everyone else to be dicks to them so don't be a dick.
Do unto others before they do unto you.
I think Trump is trying that with North Korea right now.
Yea, the new American national motto.
Someone needs to sit down with Jordan Petersen. I won't be using someone's pronoun if I can't pronounce it...because its not a word.
Mental illness should not be taking over college campuses and being used to halt free speech and in some cases, ruining careers.
Once this side of debate stops using thug tactics then maybe the rest of society gets on board.
Agreed. It's absolutely a distraction issue. As long as you're not hurting or affecting me, you cut off or attach whatever you want to/from your body.
As for pronouns and whatnot.. I've still not ever been told by someone that they insist I call them something that's not terribly obvious. I guess what I find laughable is the Youtube overreaction videos of transpeeps yelling at others "You will respect my pronouns", etc.
If you ever yelled that at me or my family, I'd probably turn around and walk away from you, quietly judging you on many levels. Because, you're being a dick...
for what is it a distraction though?
substantive conversation regarding the seven countries we're currently bombing, the effects of an exploding debt (and our unfunded liabilities), the Federal Reserve's policies which inflate away the value of our currency, actual policy debate over anything.
Divide and Rule
haha I like the theory but this also suggests a larger conspiracy right? Who initiates this? A group of people come together one day and say 'listen, we need a new thing to distract the public. How about we stir them up a little against each other by disproportionally giving voice to the LGBT community.' Or how would a conversation like that occur according to you?
Not a single entity. I believe news networks stir it up because it's much easier to get a no-talent teleprompter reader with opinions to talk about LGBT rights, or 'muh transphobes', than it is to explain mortgage-backed securities and inflation of money through quantitative easing.
Ok but is you suggest it is a tactic of divide and rule there must be a entity, someone or some people that execute that tactic. If not it is just human nature your talking about and not a strategy.
PC is a form of Cultural Marxism. It is also very 1984 George Orwellian with Double Think mentalities.
true
How do you inflate away the value of something that is valueless in the first place? Federal Reserve Notes are not federal, represent no monetary reserves and no longer conform to the definition of notes. Failing to state who, will pay what, when or to whom - they ceased to be legal tender notes, (offers of money) over 50 years ago. They are in fact instruments of legalized THEFT.
Smart man...The Federal Reserve is neither Federal, nor does it have "reserves." They create money out of nothing and coerce with Big Government to enforce it as "legal tender." Unfortunately, it hurts the middle and lower class the most. We have to pay direct taxes and the hidden tax of inflation.
Thanks Adam. I was extremely worried about reading this, I've been a fan for a very long time and it was very nice to see a source on this side of things not calling me a plague or better off dead freak.
I completely agree that it is a division tactic, we trans people are very easy targets as we already freak people out and there just are not that many of us but tempers get heated. I can honestly say it was better when we could be low key living our life, I truly wish my life could drop into the things people don't give a shit about realm again, it was safer and much easier to go about my day.
Anyway thanks for the very lovely thoughts, made my day.
Safety, that is one of the biggest issues these days. But then, all women have that issue with men. Trans people just have a more obvious target on them.
The issue comes down to respect for reality or embracing someone's wishes and desire, despite the unreality of what they are asking/demanding. Plus using force of government to mandate respect and acceptance of behavior/beliefs, is something all freedom loving people should resist.
Just like the government sponsored religion of man-made global warming, global cooling and a now "climate change", the LGBTGMOUSE movement, seeks to enforce their views, standards, a wishes and beliefs upon others. The road map is already there to expand their asks to having sex with children and dead bodies, etc. Nothing is to strange to be categorized as a civil right by these morally debased individuals.
Those that resist these people/groups are sued in the courts, labeled as "Hate Criminals" or as intolerant and insensitive by government controlled and manipulated media and political pressure groups.
The facts are simple really; only men and women are born to humans. Even those born with "extra genitalia" are actually men with visible female organs, however they are not able to carry children and despite their outward appearance they are male.
Although true hermaphrodites, that can reproduce as either sex, do exist in nature, they do not exist in primates, including man.
Belief, wants and desires, are not facts. People who want to identify as another sex or race or tribe or species have mental problems and need to accept what they are and who they are and stop wasting everyone's time.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. There are no transgender people, only people with gender identity mental illness.
As long as the transgendered person isn't a dick about people who make honest mistakes in using the confusing pronouns, I can handle that.
I don't expect the elderly to be able to properly use the pronoun that doesn't seem to match what they are looking at, or some new made-up pronoun that they have never heard before.
Dictating the words a person MUST use is a dickish move in my eyes, just as bad as censorship, even though everyone has the right to think of themselves however feels best to them.
You misspelled mentally ill.
The issue is not what they want to do with HIS or HER own body, they should be allowed. The real issue is I don't want my young daughter to go to a public washroom with a man taking a piss beside her.
Hence Adam's assertion that there shouldn't be public washrooms.
I Agree, but the thing is transgenders will say people are discriminating against them. Because they can't use the opposite sex washrooms.
Which is an excellent argument against anti-discrimination law.
Then boycott businesses that refuse to segregate based on sexual organs. Your preference on admission rules for the shitter does not however justify violence towards business owners that refuse to segregate. The only issue I see here is that you call it an "issue".
The issue with this whole gender pronoun issue is that, on the one hand, some people are just dicks and that's bad. On the other hand, some people are very eager to use government violence to force other people to use certain words.
In my opinion, force is way worse than people being dicks. Don't get me wrong, I would definitely respect someone's preferences, but you should also respect someone else's choice to be a dick. Hopefully the dicks will see the consequences of their behavior and adapt.
I'm always been a liberal thinker. Every person has the right to do with their body or sexuality as they like as long as they respect other people, too. My problem is with the bathrooms though, there should be Transgender bathrooms IMO or they should use their proper bathrooms I mean, if you have a D well you have to go to the male's one if you a have a V you should go to the Women's Bathroom. In this case is not humanity's fault; God gave us those organs.
This whole bathroom issue is just so much bullshit. Women's bathrooms have stalls for privacy. If you think that trans people are predators, you have been seriously misinformed.
I'm not saying it because they're predators, actually we humans are predators by nature, I said it because of Children.
The only reason I can think of for you saying "because of children" is because you think someone might molest them. If that's the case, you probably shouldn't send them to Sunday School. It's been proven that there's a lot more child molesters in the churches than in bathrooms.
How about single stall bathrooms, then it really doesn't matter who uses the bathroom unless some dickhead pisses on the seat.
Looks like Adam is now officially blue pilled. Way to be a sellout Adam .
Well, if you make the whole thing mandatory by law then this is not freedom at all.
https://steemit.com/gender/@kyriacos/the-farce-of-gender-pronouns-no-respect-for-anything-that-undermines-freedom-of-speech
Here is what I prefer.
I prefer for people with nonstandard pronouns to stop putting any effort into making people who don't use them feel uncomfortable (or even worse threatened with violence from the state).
I prefer for people who don't use nonstandard pronouns to make a mild effort towards calling people what they want to be called (even if its something ridiculous like attack helicopter..if you don't respect them don't talk to them in the first place)
I prefer for people like Lauren Southern to stop spending so much time talking with negative and hateful speech towards people who are transgender and statist. Sure they want government to protect them...so be loving instead so they are less fearful. When you are hateful and aggressive, it only amplifies their desire for government protection. Intentionally calling a queer by a pronoun they dislike then laughing that they cant handle it is like waving a gun at a gun control advocate who is scared of guns. It just makes the situation worse and divides the population more.
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"As for how you address people, if you don't address people how they want to be addressed, (as long as we're talking names and genders) you're just a dick. Don't be a dick. Sure, you have the right to free speech and decent people have a right to leave you to people who enjoy your company if you can find them."
I'm gonna try to be nice with this one and it may sound ironic, but...You are kinda being a dick, by telling people to not be a dick. At least that's how I interpret it. I'm sure you are going to disagree with me, but that is the problem when dealing with "subjective" issues. Sometimes there is no definitive right or wrong answer.
"As for how you address people, if you don't address people how they want to be addressed, (as long as we're talking names and genders) you're just a dick."
Keep your dogma to yourself, Mr. Kokesh.