So if Hive.curation made a token on HE and you could exchange those tokens you earn via delegation for upvotes, then it would be ok and legit?
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So if Hive.curation made a token on HE and you could exchange those tokens you earn via delegation for upvotes, then it would be ok and legit?
That just sounds like the same thing with a side token. There's no extra value being created or efforts being put into curation, etc.
Okay so thats the difference. So because of onboarding efforts from Ecency and Actifit and other added values to the Hive ecosystem, than that makes it okay to exchange points for upvotes or getting upvote just from using the app (actifit).
I'm unsure about actifit but ecency does place a lot of value on Hive with their dapp and like good-karma mentioned above the main point behind the delegations and point system is not to enrich or unfairly reward the delegators and their users compared to the rest of stakeholders.
I agree. Ecency is creating a lot of value for hive and I use their mobile exclusively.
I just think the margin is thin and tricky when it comes to stuff like this.
But I have undelegated 1k from Hive.curation now :)
Yeah but you must see that hive.curation does pretty much nothing but automate everything and collect a cut (most likely). That doesn't bring a lot of value to the ecosystem, if anything it takes value from other deserving authors since we share the same rewardpool and gives it back to those who delegate to it.
I don't know who he votes for or what the pattern is, but ye. I guess he doesn't spread it out to people who deserves it but keeps it in a small circle, I can imagine.
But the problem is not being value to the ecosystem. Thats the cut off point-.
By the little I looked at it, he makes sure to vote (20x) on users he has whitelisted that delegate to him, and when there's no such posts he just front-runs to maximize curation returns for the rest of delegators that don't post. As I said, the latter is fine and will be rendered useless with the changes in the upcoming hardfork, but the former isn't and will never be okay. It's important to make that distinction especially before we enter linear curve again with the upcoming hardfork as many will want to try and maximize their own returns that way.
@cwow2, I'm asking myself the same question.
I don't know about actifit but I can't see how using ecency points to boost your own post with an upvote up to $3.17 is different than what hive.curation does.
I have no take in either by the way, just trying to understand why one is ok, but not the other.
My understanding from this post is that the main problem is self voting, whatever way it happens, no?
Well, personally I never do it simply because it doesn't make sense to me and is unfair to everybody else. However, the authors of most of the posts I read and upvote do it. I've also actually noticed a few influential people on Hive doing it. One of them was actually mentioned and commented on this post.... I find it a bit ironic to point the fingers on one side at the little guys but let it go on the other because it's a friend or someone who's doing a lot for the community.... we should all be equal, no?
Well. Your self-upvote is 1-1 equal to your HP stake. But if you delegate 1000hp to hive.curation then you can get an upvote x20 = 200000 hp. Thats where the unfairness is