I read another article involving this massive SP delegation by Ned to several users. Of all the users that Ned had delegated to if my memory is correct he revoked all the delegations except for Surpassinggoogle and one other Steemian(I may have some facts slightly wrong, I'm working from memory).
Most of the ones that had their SP revoked where practicing in that time honored whale tradition of upvote circle jerking each other. Miss sweet J herself(the cute asian with the posts featuring an avalanche of mediocre travel photos) was just out and out selling upvotes.
Surpassinggoogle on the other hand was spreading the love around, upvoting far more posts from many more authors than the others that received delegation.
So I would speculate that his upvote of a plagiarist is one of two things. Either one, he's upvoting so many posts that he's not got, or taking, the time to verify what he's upvoting. Or two, he's turned a blind eye because it's a friend. Either way, he's thrown support to a plagiarist and should denounce the actions of that person.
Hi bro, i see everyone as bro. Little boy is bro to me. Overall, i didn't listen to him cos i don't need to. He wants me to remove all past votes; not my style. I can only monitor his actions henceforth and to a certain degree cos i respect too. Littleboy has been on my neck since day one and i try to educate him and he will learn. Of that i am sure. He is new to steemit and there is a ton he doesn't know and all that will adjust overtime, so he can't not be my friend. I am his fan in reality. He has passion and that can also be put to good use. There is history on steemit too. I look at that and many other things too when it comes to curation. We are growing the communities as well, so curation takes a slightly different toll at this point till the communities and grown and solid, so this is a time to encourage and lovingly educate. Even cheetah grew heart and this is part of history that littleboy may be oblivious about. I didn't get juvy to rep 70 either. i am certainly not his only voter. I explain to you, to balance your own thoughts, not to respond to littleboy. The post he spoke about, i removed the vote cos i wanted to, not cos of him. Going to someone's post and calling him reward pool rapist; that is the style littleboy has chosen and its his style, not mine. He has his views and his style, i should have mine. Doing a post about someone is also not my style. It is his. We are very different. As for plagiarism well, nothing has not been written before. I tell you, you can write your very own views on a topic like history, which many people have written on too and trigger plagiarism, cos you shared exactly the same wording coincidentally as the ton of people who have written on the topic. Saying egypt was built in 1970 bc and many people may have written using similar sentiments even wordings; i wouldn't hurriedly call you plagiarism. Overall, i sift even the not so good to find good it. Even in your gmail, there is room for spam. The hashtag untalented helps in this regard. Especially for the communities i support, it is has to be love, care and nurture at this point, till its strong enough to be on its own, so i am never in hurry not to give someone a chance. Even steemcleaners themselves do that and give people a chance to redeem themselves. Overall, that is what steemit is about and littleboy will come to learn this. Reputation on steemit and the model behind it also very much involves the human behind the steemian as least according to me, so i look for that too. It is not about content only. You are not the best content creator and neither am i and i tell you, any type of person, can create top notch content. i dont curate only content. I look at history too and especially the YOU, so i can definitely give you a chance when there are flaws
@surpassinggoogle calls everyone bro if he knows you are a male. He sees everyone as the brother. Not trying to sound like a broken record here by repeating what others have said, but I do not think he would intentionally support a plagiarist. He supports a lot of people ( thousands). I believe a few plagiarism may fall through the crack. That could happen to anybody as I doubt he has the time to run every article he supports through a plagiarism scanner or something to ascertain its authenticity. But he supports those with proven integrity and good quality content. This is the first post I am seeing that have something remotely negative about @surpassinggoogle.
I like that you fight for the good of the platform and I appreciate every steemit spam/plagiarism hater. Every person that creates contents knows it is hard, seeing someone reap where he did not sow is a bit hard to tolerate. But we just have to be careful before we throw away the baby with the dirty bathwater.
Keep hope alive and keep steeming. Thank you
Don't worry about this Terry. Anyone one who is spreading the love/votes as wide as you is bound to hit a 'bad' piece of content.
I could cite examples of other witnesses actually promoting users who I have seen plagiarizing.
If you were to check content yourself you would not be able to cast your votes so wisely.
Cheetah is there to help, but it is not perfect.
Users bashing 500,000 SP account holders should appreciate the time it takes to spread the votes around in this way.
Sure, if you find something, let the voter/author know. But try to do it with some respect eh?
Cheers.
Bro you didn't read my last post
@steemcleaner visit your post.. If you have post plagiarism..
Is it true ? @surpassinggoogle
I did Terry, and I send wishes to you and your mother always.
With respect, I don't see how this relates to you being accused of supporting a plagiarizer.
Again, you have supported your community greatly. Ned has seen this, and his recent actions speak louder than my words.
Take care of one and all
Asher
First, let me thank you for the reply back.
I myself upvote 30 to 40 times a day. Do i read every word of every post? No. I'm supporting users whos content and comments I have come to value.
When one of them eventally does something wrong will I abandon them? No. I will condemn there actions and do my best to help them get their act together. Thats what friends do.
Little boy does have a lot of passion. He also sees the world in black and white. May he grow in wisdom to see the shades of grey and understand naunce better.
You can call me bro anytime you want.
Woah hold up @randystiefer,
I actually read all the posts of the people I support before throwing that up vote. If someone does something wrong, I try to say something about it. I really am torn on a situation like this. I know for a fact that @surpassinggoogle does a lot for everyone, and really wants to see Steemit succeed, not just one community, but all of them. Terry's my boy, I support him 100%. Now the problem is that he is up voting an account that is plagiarizing its content.
It's not his fault, he didn't write the posts. However, plagiarized posts should not be getting rewarded AT ALL, that's something I stand by. I see that users are looking at @littleboy, saying that his methods are harsh, but being a college student I can tell you right now, plagiarizing can get you kicked out of school. There are key phrases and words present, this is not a paraphrase, because there are no original thoughts taking place.
This guy needs citations for real. Little boy is not being a paranoid jerk, this is something that would make Steemit fail at mainstream adoption, and break a bunch of laws, leading it to shut down. I'm not going to lie, last week I came across a post that I was certain was plagiarized, and I had to use multiple tools to find the original source.
What I am saying here, is that it's actually really tough to spot the people who do these things in the first place. Don't condemn the voter because it isn't super obvious plagiarism. Trying to punish Terry for this is ridiculous. At the same time, he should for real not give this particular account any more votes now that the plagiarism is confirmed. I feel that continuing to vote this person looks bad on you, unless he changes himself.
All the love,
shello
Steem cannot be shut down. It's a blockchain. I don't know why people keep saying Steem could be shut down as if that is the risk. The risk is that Steem could lose support (people could stop buying Steem) as that is the only way it will stop. Public sentiment matters more "for the platform" than mere copyright law in one country. I agree that the United States is the biggest country using Steemit, but Steem is bigger than that and is global.
The rest of your post I agree with. College educated posters know to cite sources.
Thank you for your feedback @dana-edwards,
Maybe saying that this could shut Steemit down completely is a hyperbole type statement. I feel like copyright infringement at the most severe level, could get the site restricted in some countries, which is something we don't want.
You are right, people in fact cannot shut down anything that is decentralized/peer to peer, and that is a beauty of the block-chain.
This is something that I can agree with. I do want to say that instead of only focusing on punishing people for copying and other stuff, maybe some posts about making original content would help the mentality of new users. What do you think?
Mahalo,
shello
My point of view is, there are many anarchists who post conspiracy theories. That talk could also get this site banned in many countries. Yet I do not see people rushing to censor that content. Why? Because it provides value to the Steemit community to keep those content producers even if their opinions don't line up with the opinions of various governments or "global elites" as some might say.
Copyright is a legal issue and because Steemit.com is in the US it is vulnerable to all sorts of legal disputes including threats by the SEC due to the SMT, but even if that did happen the site will appear outside of the jurisdiction of those agencies.
The whole basis for why Steemit is different from other blogging platforms is censorship resistance. I do agree with you that plagiarism provides no value because it's not even offering the opinions or commentary of the blogger on the content. I just don't think a case of plagiarism should be handled the way it was handled in this case, and this is not the first instance of this.
It's becoming a pattern now where it at least seems that some new bloggers are looking for any flaw or mistake or problem they can find in established bloggers, and then instead of bringing it to the attention of the established blogger to explain why it's a problem, instead they choose to blog about it and make it out to be a huge conspiracy.
If it's plagiarism (which is a problem) then leave a comment, downvote the post, alert a whale and get the post demonetized if you can prove deliberate plagiarism. But that isn't what happened here.
This post has the title: "Ned's pre mined SP is being used to promote Steem abuse!", which makes it seem like some giant conspiracy with Ned involved. I have a problem with the tactics being used because it's the sort of tactics to destroy a community rather than grow it.
The reason I have such strong opinions? Just a week ago I was accused of "copy paste" by a person who never even read my articles and thought I was getting too much money from "auto votes".
I invite you to be a judge, read some of my articles, and tell me if you think I copied and pasted anything.
Article of accuser: https://steemit.com/writing/@cmoljoe/my-complain-about-auto-votes-on-example-of-dana-edwards-and-why-are-auto-votes-killing-steemit
My blog: https://steemit.com/@dana-edwards
And that is the problem. Anyone who posts frequently even if it is original content can be accused of "copy paste", even if they cite sources in their articles and followed every rule. Occasionally you do find a true example of plagiarism but innocent bloggers are being discouraged by these witch hunts and worst of all it makes the platform less fun.
People are so focused on the money that they forget about community in these times. Oh well, if that happens there are other places to blog, and also there are as I said before other ways to support the community other than to write if people aren't good enough at writing. Lets hope SMTs save the day and allow people more options to add value to Steem.
If he changes, i will vote. If he is determined a plagiarist, i can only monitor him henceforth. it is something i will look into much later. For now, i am struggling to keep my mama alive.
I pace things and don't push things. i didn't get the guy to rep 70. Moreover, i have been hear for long. I shouldn't react so hastily cos someone wants me to
That's all I can ask for @supassinggoogle, I know you have a lot going on, and you aren't boosting him.
I know that you will do the right thing, and when you are able to look into it further, you will.
Your mom comes first,
<3 shello
When you have a MFA hanging on your wall you can lecture me about citation.
Did you even read my comment? I'm not here to lecture anyone. I'm trying to say that several people and communities seem to be okay with posting however you want, and everyone sees plagiarism differently. Legally, that's kinda not okay.
It might sound fine right now, because everyone can make some money, but what happens if Steemit get shut down because somebody got too greedy for up votes and fame, that they figured making original content would take too long. This type of stuff happens everyday, where people getting caught cheating can screw everybody over.
Don't we all want to see Steemit succeed?
Steemit also doesn't let us edit old posts. It could be shut dow based on old posts which cannot be deleted or edite? No, it cannot be shut down because it's all on the blockchain. A website will pop up in Russia or somewhere else.
Yes i read every word of it. I also read every word of your follow up post. This isnt a college classroom(something i have spent too much time in). The real world rules are far more confusing. Rewording a passage from an obsure history book is probably not a problem because a lawyer won't see the money in it. Use an emoji tatooed on kylie Jenner's right butt cheek? Billion dollar suit.
For future reference. Telling someone to hold up and then citing being a college student as a reason you hold the moral high ground to a graduate degree holder isn't a steller way to start a conversation. Sorry I let my inner asshole loose for a moment.
The citing stuff isn't for you, I only replied to your comment because you said you don't read posts.
I was like... what?
Also no problem, I'm no expert. Just don't want to lose this site y'know?~
Thank you for that Terry,
HE's a FAN! I totally agree with that.
Calling juvybian a reward pool rapist? Hmmm
I can offer him @littleboy my Papa Potatoes.
Let me know if you want more. @littleboy
FYI, I have enjoyed your responses and you have a new follower. I already had an opinion of this little boy from the demands he placed on me in comments on my posts; this post merely confirms that opinion.
Thank you I'm just being true to myself:) following you back.
Hope we can have peace and closure on this particular post. Let's continue to help and encourage one another if we can. Have a lovely day.
Once it has been cited it's no longer plagiarism.
He uses fake sources. Also, the source to last two plagiarized articles were added after his "bro" surpassinggoogle asked him to add sources.
Exactly so it's no longer an issue.
do you have any idea what's going on here?
do you even know how citing sources works? here I will explain it to you.
Step 1. Provide the sources you used for your post.
Looks like he failed the one and only step, which a first grader could do. That is definitely an issue
It is. All of his posts before the expose are plagiarism with fake sources. And it is a issue. Copyright firms can shut steemit down if steemit didn't comply with dmca notices.
I think @paulag wrote that expose/post.
Very interesting.
Yes, also spreading the love to many plagiarists like this one: https://steemit.com/history/@rakib143073433/good-luck-bangladesh
I burned my SP to sink it.
As I said, he should get out in front of this and denounce(and downvote) their actions. Until then his silence is deafening.