I’ve even met people who call themselves philosophers who want to prove things, make things measurable.

This reminded me of the book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance." He was institutionalized for trying to quantify what quality is. It can indeed be frustrating, as you point out. I believe the key is in realizing all of us have our own perception bubble and rarely will take the time to focus on ideas that are not relevant to that bubble.