in the swamps of my mind, i have asked myself, what exactly prevents me from stealing someone elses property or even to kill someone.
Let's toss in some variables here, like hunger, a loved one's illness, would you steal or even kill if you were starving? What about this scenario, would you let doctors commit your loved one, or would you kill them and flee with your loved one?
And a very boiled down reason would be,that i would have to go to jail, and since jails are unpleasant, you don't want to end up there.
Yeah, but you are asking something like Would I take on a wild predator with my bare hands, I mean what really prevents me from doing that, just out of the blue.
It means that the Fear of losing my freedom prevents me from doing these things.(not to mention its immoral as fuck to kill or steal from a mental standpoint)
No it doesn't, the fear of being CAUGHT prevents you from doing these things, there is still the incentive of getting away with it, but of course I am only arguing that someone determined, desperate or depraved would not have the dilemma of "I don't want to go to jail". Two of those characters (desperate or determined) could very hypothetically be anyone with a snap of a finger, and they would be driven by the possibility of getting away with stealing or killing.
But on the on the other side of the argument, laws provide structure in which, you and me can benefit while respecting social contracts like "don't do to others,that you wouldn't want to be done to you" kind of things.
It's not a contract, implying so is not correct. Something that is hardly correct, doesn't provide structure, people do. People choosing to honor things that aren't agreed on like the silver rule create structure, their inherent choices, they create structure. The motivation behind those choices aren't "because I don't want to go to jail" but "this is what I think is best in this situation" which is driven by instinct, like starving, or death.
For example, if you research societies without laws, how do you suppose that structure and honoring of principles such as the golden rule exist?
Laws are a system that creates structure so that everything doesn't fall it to chaos, while most of your points seem cohesive the alternative to Order is chaos.
That's a false dilemma, it's not either order or chaos. The two aren't exclusive to each other, what is chaos to the fly is order to the spider.
The fact that societies have existed for millennia before law, and outside falling into chaos provides evidence of structure in spite of lawlessness, and order in spite of lack of structured laws.
we sometimes take for granted the things we benefit from, and keen in on things that are negative, from a logical standpoint you are absolutely right,
I think you take for granted the fact that what you consider benefit is nothing short of extortion, and what we consider negative, is the absurdity of some can levy tax, some can create rules, some can enforce them, while nobody else has these rights.
but i think that in practice, we wouldn't survive 150 years if this way of thinking would become mainstream. But as i agree with most of what you say, i think its a really great unpopular opinion
Why do you think in practice people would descend into "chaos"?
Let's toss in some variables here, like hunger, a loved one's illness, would you steal or even kill if you were starving? What about this scenario, would you let doctors commit your loved one, or would you kill them and flee with your loved one?
i don't really know, i haven't starved in my life to a point where something like that crosses my mind, and im not comfortable to say that i wouldn't.
Would I take on a wild predator with my bare hands, I mean what really prevents me from doing that, just out of the blue.
nothing really prevents you, doing that to a wild animal nor a human.
No it doesn't, the fear of being CAUGHT prevents you from doing these things, there is still the incentive of getting away with it
yeah i should have worded that part better.
wo of those characters (desperate or determined) could very hypothetically be anyone with a snap of a finger
i think people don't become desperate or determined in a snap of hes fingers, that's a severe bipolar disorder, and using an extreme as a baseline is disingenuous, because surely you don't believe that anyone can just suddenly become desperate, or even determined....
It's not a contract, implying so is not correct. Something that is hardly correct, doesn't provide structure, people do. People choosing to honor things that aren't agreed on like the silver rule create structure, their inherent choices, they create structure. The motivation behind those choices aren't "because I don't want to go to jail" but "this is what I think is best in this situation" which is driven by instinct, like starving, or death.
so what i was trying to imply was,that rules that are enforced by government are creating boundaries that multiple people can co-exist under.If we would live under no laws, i personally think that it would become survival of the fittest.And i doubt that you would perfer that or anyone else wants that.
That's a false dilemma, it's not either order or chaos. The two aren't exclusive to each other, what is chaos to the fly is order to the spider.
hmmm this is a good one. I wonder if i due have a too extreme look on it... i don't know.To me it does seem like, opposing something like a government on there laws would lead to something volatile,and very easy to sway by agendas. As in if rules where decided democratically.
I think you take for granted the fact that what you consider benefit is nothing short of extortion, and what we consider negative, is the absurdity of some can levy tax, some can create rules, some can enforce them, while nobody else has these rights.
Someone has to be at the top,and if no one is. Then surely someone will try to be there, serving hes own interests. And i think that would cause more harm then good.
and for you last question... I don't think highly of myself, and i don't think highly of communities. I truly think that people can't govern over themselves, and that they constantly are in a pursuit of leaders,Dictators, or gods or what ever they want to follow.It does feel like people are a flock of sheep that need guidance . And if someone has to be in power why not the government ? Don't get me wrong, some of the taxation is very unfair,but what i would imagine is that i don't understand why there is a tax for that in the firstplace, and thus don't fully understand why something is taxes, leaving a benefit of the doubt that a reason exists.
btw very great comment, while i don't fully agree with everyhthing you said, some of the things did make me think about my own stance.
i mean you do realize that im on a blog replying with a comment, that was fixed up in like 2minutes, and i don't pretend to know why laws are the way they are. And im also not speaking from a divine truth standpoint, most of the things what i've said are subjective, so i don't really understand why are you trying to deeply over analyze a comment ona blogpost