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RE: #HelpCatalonia - This is how Catalan citizens are treated by the Spanish government for the simple fact of wanting to decide and vote for a referendum

in #news7 years ago

The problem is about the legality of the orders given to the police. actually having order isn't a really good defense line because the real question is the legitimacy of such orders.

Why stop a vote? Isn't spain a democracy? why hasn't the cenntral occupational spanish government isn't issue another date for such a vote? Why aren't the basic tenets of democracy followed?

Then you attempt at deligitimizing the peacefull praticionners of democracy is not going to work. Here sadly for you and contrary to the msm we have "unallowed pictures" of old and young people being beaten by the state occupational forces.

and you know it.

Isn't part of self determination a great value to pursue? Furthermore a world where people can peacefully settle those issues through honest and impartial votes isn't safer for all?

Tomorrow you will get your check for your efforts, in a broken spain? Look at the english who btw belongs Gibraltar, they made a vote, I mean many votes. Results scotland stays in the UK, Brexit on. Violence? Distrusts with the cops? Problems for generations to come? None.

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Democracy is that all Spaniards decide whether they want a region of Spain to secede or not, anything else is not democracy but an illegal secession of a country against international law, the European Union Constitution and the Spanish Constitution. The world understands this and that is why all major countries have expressed the support to the Spanish government, from Merkel to Trump.

So Spain is democratic and the secessionist regional politicians are fascist that want to impose their will on the rest of Spaniards by stealing part of the land of Spain from them.

Scotland has less self-governance than what any Spanish autonomous region has. And believe me that the UK has been very lucky (and smart) because the EU doesn't have an army yet. If they had waited for the EU to have its own army Brexit will not have been possible as it stands today.

Many lives were lost in the First Spanish Civil War because of the secessionist government from Companys, who ended up in prison and then shot dead. The current regional secessionist politicians will end up in prison also, although this time they will not be shot, we are now in democracy and not in war... at least yet.

Then you have the pictures used for propaganda from elderly and children, the same tactic than ISIS.

Those people came to do an illegal act as recognized by the judges applying the Spanish Constitution. Even though they tried to do something illegal the police did not take any action against them for that illegal act. The police went only to seize the materials for the illegal act. What they found then is people trying to avoid them doing their work so they had no option to remove them with proportional force.

Blocking the police with the elderly and children is making them human shields like ISIS does and the world is very aware of that tactic already, it won't work ;)

WTF!? Seems that your brain is getting a bit confused by now, hahaha

You are mixing everything and asking again the same questions:

Why Spaniards from Catalonia cannot vote secession? I answered you already: against European Constitution and Spanish Constitution. Change those two constitutions and then you will be able to legally vote secession.

The Spanish government by definition cannot become occupational forces in the region of Catalonia. A government cannot be occupational forces in its own country!? Hahaha

Failed concept? A country with a history of thousands of years a "failed concept"? Hahahaha, I know that is what the fascist secessionist have taught you since your childhood, so I understand that you are a bit confused... but please, think for your self. Spain is a great country and one of the main countries in the European Union.

I don't want to censor anything, on the contrary, it is your fascist secessionist politicians that have been censoring and teaching hate to anything Spanish for more than 30 years to move forward their secessionist agenda.

Debt rating? Wow... we get in a completely new sphear of knowledge... are you ready t handle it? The western economies are all broken because of social democracy and the welfare state. The US is the biggest debtor in the world with over 30 US$ trillions of debt that they will never be able to repay. We could talk hours and hours about that, in any case, the region of Catalonia is even more broke than the whole of Spain to which it belongs, and the region of Catalonia is part of the reason for the debt of Spain, obviously. In fact, I would say that Catalonia and the Basque regions are the main responsible for the debt of Spain because it was because of them that the crazy system of having 17 inefficient states multiplying by 17 the inefficiencies. Without the autonomous regions will be much more productive and efficient. Think that California has one single government and is of a very similar size and economy than Spain. There is no need at all for 17 mini-states but only one single government for all Spaniards.

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