CATALONIA IS SPAIN: some politicians want an illegal secession from Spain, ILLEGAL FAKE VOTING!
Imagine that Babaria in Germany wants to separate from Germany, or that Provence wants to separate from France, or California wants to separate from the USA.
Do you think that Germany, France or the USA would allow such secession to happen?
Obviously not, because they are integral parts of their countries, the same than Catalonia is an integral part of Spain since the times before the Roman Invasion of the Iberian Peninsula.
If such an attempt of secession would happen on those countries, they will apply the law to stop it and the police and even the army to enforce the law because that is the reason of being of the police and the army.
That's exactly what is happening in Spain, the law, the Spanish Constitution and the orders from the Judges are being applied to stop an illegal voting instigated by the insurgent regional government in Catalonia.
The police is closing the places where the illegal voting is attempted and seizing all the illegal material, but the police are finding resistance and violence from some people with wounded people and police as result. The police need to use the proportional force when required to complete the work that the judges have ordered them with to enforce the law.
Catalonia is an integral part of Spain and it will always continue to be, that is not negotiable.
In the S.XX the secessionist took us to a Civil War, we are now heading to a similar situation so a future second Civil War in Spain is unfortunately now possible. We hope that this time the international community, Europe, and the UN supports the democratic government of Spain to reject the insurgent secessionists and avoid war.
Catalonia already had an autonomous government with more powers that the government of Scotland have
But what the politicians from the Catalonia region want is not self-governing, that they already have, but complete secession from Spain and that is utterly impossible.
Spaniards are very friendly and peacefull people but we cannot allow some local politicians to execute a secession are steal part of Spain from all the Spanish people.
CATALONIA IS SPAIN
I don't think that the biggest animal abusers can be friendly or peaceful. And nothing can justify beating old lady, it is possible to prevent her to do anything without harming her
The biggest animal abusers are the people that want to steal part of the land of Spain from the rest of Spaniards.
Anyone that tries to prevent the police applying law have it coming to them because law has to be abided.
Blocking the police with the elderly and children are making them human shields and a very law tactic that reminds me of another kind of people using the same tactic...
hahaha,
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If you check my history you will see that I have other posts that are not related to the secession of Catalonia but about cryptocurrencies and personal freedom.
And secession is not freedom, it is fascism trying to impose the will of a few Spaniards from Catalonia to the rest of Spaniards so they steal part of the land of all Spaniards.
You have been very well indoctrinated, the most corrupt politicians in Spain are the ones from Catalonia and Andalucia. Just look at the longtime regional president of Catalonia, Pujol, and his family being tried in court for corruption.
About "sucking the tits" hahaha
Economically Catalonia is far from what it once was, their downfall came when the secessionist and corrupt politicians arrived to the regional government, starting with Pujol and his family tried for corruption and stealing money from all Spaniards.
Catalonia is currently broke, the Spanish government has had to give even more money from the taxes of all Spaniards to Catalonia, taking it away from other regions, so the public services and salaries in the region of Catalonia could be paid for. The government has given this additional money to Catalonia to see if they stop crying (qui no plora no mama) but it is impossible with the secessionist regional politicians.
Furthermore, without Spain Catalonia would be completely broke, without the support from the tax money from the rest of Spaniards, without the Spanish market, outside of the EU (because to enter you need the Spanish vote and you will never ever get it), ostracised internationally...
The "Espanya ens roba" (Spain steals from us) is false, it is exactly the opposite, the ones stealing from the Catalonians and the rest of Spaniards are the regional secessionist politicians from Catalonia.
They don't want your money. Let them go.
Would you allow someone to take away your land?
So Spaniards will never let some fascist secessionist to steal their land.
Would you let them be if they said they didn't want your land either? Would you let them keep their houses where they are, not pay any taxes or abide by your rules? (And if this was ever an option, how would they know the next generation would keep your word?)
Probably not. Why would you? That's why the only practical way out, as it seems right now, is physical isolation and the establishment of another country.
It may cost you to let current taxpayers and a few children born into a slavery (that you blame on the decissions of their parrents or earlier ancestors) go, but it will be a whole lot more effecient for you all if in the long run if you stop forcing integration.
A secessionist vote is not allowed by Spanish constitution and that is why it was declared illegal.
If you want to vote then first try to change the Spanish Constitution to allow a secessionist poll. If you manage it then try to change the European Constitution that also prevents secessions within member states (1).
Regarding allowing Catalonia in the EU, how can you dream that in a hypothetical secession (that will never happen), after stealing part of the Spanish country, that country is going to have any good relations with you?
If a burglar comes to your home and steals your property, are you going to be friends with him??? Come on, get real! You will want him to be behind bars and to get back your property.
So if secession is currently illegal under Spanish Constitution and European Constitution was is the point of making an illegal, irrelevant and useless vote? Obviously none.
As I said, change both those constitutions first and then we can start talking about all Spaniards deciding if they break Spain apart.
From your comments I also see that you are a xenophobe, of course... what I'm thinking off... secessionism is xenophobism and fascism... hahaha
(1) http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/default.aspx?pdffile=CDL-INF(2000)002-e
So let's be OK with beating unarmed old ladies to bloody pulp and make sure people never have the freedom to hold a referendum...
What do you expect when you do an illegal act. The police have to enforce law with proportional force and that is what the Spanish police has done like it is done in any democratic and law abiding country.
Don't cry you get what you asked for...
The world is watching... Spain will get what it asked for.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/CatalanReferendum
All the world leaders have already expressed their support to Rajoy. The secessionism is dead!
They want to leave because they have been indoctrinated with lies for more than 30 years. I've seen it myself with my own eyes.
Why have the secessionist politicians done this? For the oldest reason in the world, power, and money. They want to be the kings of their own little country by stealing the land of Spain, but they will never ever manage to do it because Spain has the law and the reason on its side.
Spain is a democracy and Democracy is that all Spaniards decide whether they want a region of Spain to secede or not, anything else is not democracy but an illegal secession of a country against international law, the European Union Constitution and the Spanish Constitution.
The world understands this and that is why all major countries have expressed the support to the Spanish government, from Merkel to Trump.
On Monday the secessionist will be sad, very sad, and if they dare to unilaterally declare secession they will end up with their bones in jail like it happened to Companys the previous time that this happened.
Again, the police have to take proportional force to comply with judicial orders. If old ladies try to stop the police complying with their work they will need to remove them with proportional force and that is exactly what they are doing. There are policemen injured also.
It reminds me of some other type of people using their elderly and children as human shields, a very nasty, dishonest and low tactic
Ah yes, they are only there as human shield. They didn't come because they wanted to vote...
Again, you're not fooling anyone...
Those people came to do an illegal act as recognized by the judges applying the Spanish Constitution. Even though they tried to do something illegal the police did not take any action against them for that illegal act. The police went only to seize the materials for the illegal act. What they found then is people trying to avoid them doing their work so they had no option to remove them with proportional force.
Blocking the police with the elderly and children is making them human shields
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I'm showing the truth that the fascist secessionist had hidden from the Spaniards in Catalonia for more than 30 years. The source of the problems in Catalonia is those fascist secessionists that govern them. It is amazing that the Spaniards in Catalonia don't realize of the very old and childish tactic they use. We are your rulers but all the problems you have is not my fault it is "theirs" (from "Madrid"). Exactly the same that children do "it wasn't me..." hahaha How can you fall for it???? hahaha
Why have the secessionist politicians done this? For the oldest reason in the world, power, and money. They want to be the kings of their own little country by stealing the land of Spain, but they will never ever manage to do it because Spain has the law and the reason on its side.
Democracy is that all Spaniards decide whether they want a region of Spain to secede or not, anything else is not democracy but an illegal secession of a country against international law, the European Union Constitution and the Spanish Constitution. The world understands this and that is why all major countries have expressed the support to the Spanish government, from Merkel to Trump.
So Spain is democratic and the secessionist regional politicians are fascist that want to impose their will on the rest of Spaniards by stealing part of the land of Spain from them.
Scotland has less self-governance than what any Spanish autonomous region has. And believe me that the UK has been very lucky (and smart) because the EU doesn't have an army yet. If they had waited for the EU to have its own army Brexit will not have been possible as it stands today.
Many lives were lost in the First Spanish Civil War because of the secessionist government from Companys, who ended up in prison and then shot dead. The current regional secessionist politicians will end up in prison also, although this time they will not be shot, we are now in democracy and not in war... at least yet.
Then you have the pictures used for propaganda from elderly and children, the same tactic than ISIS.
Those people came to do an illegal act as recognized by the judges applying the Spanish Constitution. Even though they tried to do something illegal the police did not take any action against them for that illegal act. The police went only to seize the materials for the illegal act. What they found then is people trying to avoid them doing their work so they had no option to remove them with proportional force.
Blocking the police with the elderly and children is making them human shields like ISIS does and the world is very aware of that tactic already, it won't work ;)
WTF!? Seems that your brain is getting a bit confused by now, hahaha
You are mixing everything and asking again the same questions:
Why Spaniards from Catalonia cannot vote secession? I answered you already: against European Constitution and Spanish Constitution. Change those two constitutions and then you will be able to legally vote secession.
The Spanish government by definition cannot become occupational forces in the region of Catalonia. A government cannot be occupational forces in its own country!? Hahaha
Failed concept? A country with a history of thousands of years a "failed concept"? Hahahaha, I know that is what the fascist secessionist have taught you since your childhood, so I understand that you are a bit confused... but please, think for your self. Spain is a great country and one of the main countries in the European Union.
I don't want to censor anything, on the contrary, it is your fascist secessionist politicians that have been censoring and teaching hate to anything Spanish for more than 30 years to move forward their secessionist agenda.
Debt rating? Wow... we get in a completely new sphear of knowledge... are you ready t handle it? The western economies are all broken because of social democracy and the welfare state. The US is the biggest debtor in the world with over 30 US$ trillions of debt that they will never be able to repay. We could talk hours and hours about that, in any case, the region of Catalonia is even more broke than the whole of Spain to which it belongs, and the region of Catalonia is part of the reason for the debt of Spain, obviously. In fact, I would say that Catalonia and the Basque regions are the main responsible for the debt of Spain because it was because of them that the crazy system of having 17 inefficient states multiplying by 17 the inefficiencies. Without the autonomous regions will be much more productive and efficient. Think that California has one single government and is of a very similar size and economy than Spain. There is no need at all for 17 mini-states but only one single government for all Spaniards.
They should. Any country or group of people should be allowed to secede.
Secession should be considered a human right.
That's your opinion, but it is not international law... so be it.