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RE: Steemians, do you think it's worth trying to debunk conspiracy theories?

in #news7 years ago (edited)

The first thing you have got to do is stop using that jaded old CIA expression.
There is no such thing as a conspiracy theory.
There are conspiracies.
There are theories.
There are facts.
Discern between the theories and the facts, that is all that needs to be done.

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You sound like one of those conspiracy theory truthers! Run for the hills!!!! The Deep State global agenda is going to take down the world! Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a sheep because I KNOW the truth!!! Beware and be scared people!!! Be very afraid!!’ They are out to get you!!!

@rawdawg, I think people gain from not ridiculing other people.

Some things are neither true nor false, yet consensus is required and the result of that consensus has impacts on all of society.

Picking a currency is one example. Picking a side of the road to drive / walk on is another.

The result is less important than the process. Who shall determine the truth? From what frame of reference? Show me any process that is guaranteed to arrive at the truth and I'll show you how it will fail.

Only individuals can make an estimation of truth based upon their own perceptions. Consensus is the result of the majority of individuals coming to the same conclusion.

Assuming all individuals can communicate and have incentive to live in the truth then truth will prevail. If there is incentive to believe a lie, then the lie will prevail. This applies even on an individual basis. @dantheman

https://steemit.com/liberty/@teamsteem/thank-you-dan-larimer-you-are-a-great-mentor

I think you would gain from not opening your mouth into a conversation you have nothing to do with. Last, I checked I wasn’t talking to you.

Of course there are conspiracy theories. They aren't theories in a scientific sense, but they are theories.

Well the term "theory" juxtaposed with "conspiracies" is also not that helpful because many extremely well supported scientific theories remain "just theories" because they are not of nature that they can be "proved" like 1+1=2. One crucial difference between scientific theories and conspiracy theories - the former can be used to make predictions that will be found to be true and useful - not in disagreement with facts, and novel. Conspiracy theories don't do that. They are just models developed by overzealous pattern matchers and they overfit the data. Therefore they have the feature that they are extremely poor about making accurate or useful predictions, and they are also very brittle. New data often has to be thrown away as fake and part of the conspiracy, or the "theory" has to be made even more elaborate and complex, adding new hidden variable type features that no one can disprove. How convenient.

For some reason UFO conspiracy theories, pizzagate conspiracy theories, round-earth conspiracy theories etc. etc. continue to fail to produce any actual new and useful results, no aliens have been demonstrated to exist, no Clintons in child-trafficking rings have been busted (even though DJT has all the power to do whatever Alex Jones asks him to make such busts happen), and no ice-wall or edge of the Earth has been proved to exist (should be damned easy right?). Oh, but of course, there is a conspiracy to hide all the evidence and keep everyone silent (when the government demonstrably has more leaks than a Welshman has leeks). Okay, that's the number one sign that a conspiracy theory is not a theory at all - because it cannot be used to make new and useful predictions because... conspiracies! Might as well call bullshit on all of reality at that point.

Therefore I say these aren't theories. I don't know what they are - hypotheses, conjectures, dogma, suppositions, speculation, riddles, tall tales, myths, or just plain bullshit. Perhaps we can recycle some terminology popular on the right and just call them alternative-theories? Un-theories? Or how about "spaghetti theories" as in Spaghetti Westerns (faked Westerns style movies made on a shoestring in Europe).

I like the clarity of your comment, and you're 100% right on.
Your post has definitely earned an upvote!