Sure. The Italian Referendum was bigger than BREXIT.
Yes Vote = Shifting power of administration away from public.
No Vote = Keep power of administration with the public.
The No Vote won..!! This is as big as it gets and has the potential to breakup the EU in its current state. Stephen
Well, I am half italian, native speaker, I can read italian newspapers, and the referendum was about to switch from a system having 2 equal chambers (camera dei deputati and Senato) and one with an additional , only consulting, little camera made of local powers. More or less like the german Bundesrat. So it was about to change their constitution, and nothing about power of administration. Sorry for that, you are just talking of things you cannot know, just because you cannot read italian press.
As any populistic person, you only talk of things you don't know, hoping never met someone which knows. Of course, being me a native speaker, if you want to insist, we may switch to italian....if you want to talk about the Bundesrat, I could also switch to German. No problem for me.
I guess your anglo-saxon english echo chamber failed, this time.
Or further, is this analysis substantially in error, in any language?
" it is also a referendum on the Five Star Movement, the populist euroskeptic party headed by comedian Beppe Grillo, which has campaigned for a “no” vote as a prelude to early elections and a chance to win control of the government.
Affermare che ad aver vinto in italia e' lo stesso movimento che vuole il Brexit o la vittoria di Trump significa solo non aver capito cosa chiedono i partiti che hanno votato per il "NO" e che tipo di cultura abbiano.
Se qualcuno e' cosi' cretino da pensare che distruggere ogni classe dirigente d'europa lasciando in piedi solo quella tedesca possa combattere l'egemonia tedesca, fate pure.
Ma quando vi chiamero' "miserabile branco di imbecillI", non tiratemi fuori che sono l'elite che disprezza i poveracci: vi rispondero' come risponde Milo Yiannopoulos: "fuck your feelings".
I partiti che hanno votato per il no sostengono idee che farebbero gridare al comunismo Donald Trump, e quando si parla di un nazionalista italiano, si parla di uno che per l'inghilterra e la cultura americana ha solo sputi in faccia, tanto per dire. Se poi per voi la Meloni e' una che ama l'inghilterra, siete i benvenuti. Se pensate che Massimo d'Alema sia un esempio di classe media impoverita che protesta, fate pure. Ma se poi vi chiamo idioti, non lamentatevi.
You continue spewing invectives without effective information. Your only reason for writing in Italian is to presume some elevated or elite status, but all it shows is that you have no interest in helping others learn something which you notice they are ignorant of, but you wish to insult and thereby raise your own status. A mere child bully's tactics. I do not complain that you call me an idiot, I pity those who actually know you and may have to interact with you outside of social media where you can assert your arrogance with impunity.
Yes, what I am saying here is that, IF you cannot even read A SINGLE newspaper in their language, and you are unable to get the meaning of politics, YOU ARE 100% INCOMPETENT .
So yes: I am part of the elite of COMPETENT PEOPLE. And yes, I dispease you. And yes, I will just sit on the side of the river, waiting for your failure to cross.
And no, the point is, YOU didn't put any valuable information, you just posted some anglo saxon website, which is just a good picture the echo-chamber you are sitting in, because of your poor language skills.
The point is not being the elite or not: the problem is to achieve or not. And, in your case, you didn't achieved any chance to understand foreign politics, which NEEDS some language skill.
If you had read ANY italian newspaper in the meaning time, possibily you noticed that "the loser" was able, just 2 hours before of "resigning", to make his balance law approved, WITHOUT A SINGLE COMMA CHANGED BY THE M5S. Not bad, for a loser, right? And now they will go discussing about the new rule to vote, for the next poll, having "the loser" as the incumbent party in one of two chamber. Ahaha: not bad, for a "loser", right?
And this is because italian politics is WAY more complex than you think, and NOTHING is what it seems. But, since the most of politics an anglosaxon can understand is "game of Thrones", which is kinda porn on a political plot, I do not wonder you cannot understand any of european political scene.
The victory of NO was easy to predict. Was predicted, and this is why Renzi resigned immediately: in Italy is not that uncommon you get more power when you lose, than when you are "the winner".
Yes, I am the elite. The elite of competent people, which can at least read the language of the country he is talking about. You are part of the whining underachiever mass, which is complaining because of not being middle class anymore, just forgetting you achieved nothing to deserve being a middle class.
Keep whining, losers. You can put the whole universe upside down, and still you will achieve nothing out of your life.
Your lingual hubris is well noted, Alexander. Do you however describe the results differently, in effect, than as summed in rudimentary English here? "Italy must now form a new government, with finance minister Pier Padoan tipped to be the next PM.
The "No" vote is also expected to give the populist Five Star Movement a substantial boost, and signals — in some respects at least — a further victory for a global populist political insurgency that has already helped cause Brexit and the election of Donald Trump to the US presidency.
Allora non hai capito. Un referendum confermativo in Italia e' un processo col quale si chiede alla popolazione di confermare una riforma costituzionale gia' approvata da entrambe le camere, in due sedute distanti alcuni mesi.
Detto questo, il significato che tu ci vuoi vedere vale quanto il significato che ci vuole vedere mio cugino: un cazzo di niente. E , dal momento che non sono il tuo psicologo, non sei obbligato a raccontarmi tutto quel che sogni. O capisci di che cazzo stai parlando, o ti levi dai coglioni. Mi sembra un messaggio molto semplice, peraltro emanato nel linguaggio preferito dai sostenitori del NO.
Giusto per la cronaca, la politica italiana e' un tantino troppo complicata per il celebroleso anglosassone medio, che infatti non capira' mai come , dopo una "sconfitta", Matteo Renzi possa far passare la SUA legge finanziaria senza un solo emendamento. E probabilmente il celebroleso anglosassone medio non riuscira' nemmeno a capire come, possedendo una delle due camere, il suo partito potra' far saltare il tavolo di discussione della legge elettorale qualora ne passi una che non gli piace, semplicemente togliendo l'appoggio al Governo "istituzionale" che sta per seguire.
In pratica, lo "sconfitto" ha appena fatto passare la SUA manovra finanziaria senza un solo emendamento, e sta per fare il bello e cattivo tempo sulla legge elettorale. Non male, per una "sconfitta".
La politica italiana e' troppo complessa perche' un idiota anglosassone possa capirla, non sempre una sconfitta e' una ritirata, e non sempre le cose sono come sembrano: fatevene una ragione e rendetevi conto del fatto che la maggior parte di voi non saprebbe trovare l' Italia su una carta geografica. E' abbastanza vaffanculo cosi'?
I can understand enough to tell that you are a very rude person with little concern for true dialog. I am not your psychologist, either, although I could recommend one, and you don't seem to know who I am or what I am speaking about, in any language. If this referendum has no bearing on the tide towards more national strength in Italy, then I accept that I have misunderstood. That is not hard for me to accept or admit. You also have no idea where I have traveled and what my experience is, yet you display a degree of hubris and arrogance distinctive of a mere child bully. It certainly doesn't serve in helping to inform us lesser uni-lingual beings of your superior intelligence. If one comment I make is all it takes for you to confirm that I am an idiot, then perhaps a psychiatrist is something that your mother should have referred you to a year or so ago when you were pre-pubertal.
Rude, and not so smart as he pretends to be; nor he can prove he's smart and understands because he can read Italian… I'm Italian and I say he's a great “cazzaro” — well known with other names elsewhere, he used to run a “famous” blog where you had the choice to worship him and agree with him, or to agree with him… He understands Italian politics as my grandmother understands quantum physics :-D
As your loved Milo Y says, "Fuck your feelings". I am telling you are INCOMPETENT because you cannot read or write a single line in Italian, and still you keep lecturing people which reads italian newspapers everyday and is discussing IN ITALIAN on any social network.
Yes, I am rude. Just half rude life is with anyone, when INCOMPETENT. Keep lecturing someone else of things you do not understand : it will work until you don't met some competent person.
I miei skill invece sì, Uriello, me lo permettono. Con un link, di uno dei giornali leggermente anti-M5S, cosa pretendi di dimostrare? Che in parlamento ci sono risse? Vedremo alle prossime elezioni se M5S si sta sgretolando. Mi raccomando, quando ti arriva la scheda, vota pure tu!
Sure. The Italian Referendum was bigger than BREXIT.
Yes Vote = Shifting power of administration away from public.
No Vote = Keep power of administration with the public.
The No Vote won..!! This is as big as it gets and has the potential to breakup the EU in its current state. Stephen
Well, I am half italian, native speaker, I can read italian newspapers, and the referendum was about to switch from a system having 2 equal chambers (camera dei deputati and Senato) and one with an additional , only consulting, little camera made of local powers. More or less like the german Bundesrat. So it was about to change their constitution, and nothing about power of administration. Sorry for that, you are just talking of things you cannot know, just because you cannot read italian press.
As any populistic person, you only talk of things you don't know, hoping never met someone which knows. Of course, being me a native speaker, if you want to insist, we may switch to italian....if you want to talk about the Bundesrat, I could also switch to German. No problem for me.
I guess your anglo-saxon english echo chamber failed, this time.
Or further, is this analysis substantially in error, in any language?
" it is also a referendum on the Five Star Movement, the populist euroskeptic party headed by comedian Beppe Grillo, which has campaigned for a “no” vote as a prelude to early elections and a chance to win control of the government.
A ”no” vote would indicate that Italy, too, is in the grip of a populist insurgency that won a favorable vote for Brexit, a victory for Donald Trump, and a presidential contest in France that is likely to pit two right-wing anti-immigrant candidates against each other."
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/whats-really-at-stake-in-italys-vote-of-confidence-referendum-2016-12-02
Affermare che ad aver vinto in italia e' lo stesso movimento che vuole il Brexit o la vittoria di Trump significa solo non aver capito cosa chiedono i partiti che hanno votato per il "NO" e che tipo di cultura abbiano.
Se qualcuno e' cosi' cretino da pensare che distruggere ogni classe dirigente d'europa lasciando in piedi solo quella tedesca possa combattere l'egemonia tedesca, fate pure.
Ma quando vi chiamero' "miserabile branco di imbecillI", non tiratemi fuori che sono l'elite che disprezza i poveracci: vi rispondero' come risponde Milo Yiannopoulos: "fuck your feelings".
I partiti che hanno votato per il no sostengono idee che farebbero gridare al comunismo Donald Trump, e quando si parla di un nazionalista italiano, si parla di uno che per l'inghilterra e la cultura americana ha solo sputi in faccia, tanto per dire. Se poi per voi la Meloni e' una che ama l'inghilterra, siete i benvenuti. Se pensate che Massimo d'Alema sia un esempio di classe media impoverita che protesta, fate pure. Ma se poi vi chiamo idioti, non lamentatevi.
You continue spewing invectives without effective information. Your only reason for writing in Italian is to presume some elevated or elite status, but all it shows is that you have no interest in helping others learn something which you notice they are ignorant of, but you wish to insult and thereby raise your own status. A mere child bully's tactics. I do not complain that you call me an idiot, I pity those who actually know you and may have to interact with you outside of social media where you can assert your arrogance with impunity.
Yes, what I am saying here is that, IF you cannot even read A SINGLE newspaper in their language, and you are unable to get the meaning of politics, YOU ARE 100% INCOMPETENT .
So yes: I am part of the elite of COMPETENT PEOPLE. And yes, I dispease you. And yes, I will just sit on the side of the river, waiting for your failure to cross.
And no, the point is, YOU didn't put any valuable information, you just posted some anglo saxon website, which is just a good picture the echo-chamber you are sitting in, because of your poor language skills.
The point is not being the elite or not: the problem is to achieve or not. And, in your case, you didn't achieved any chance to understand foreign politics, which NEEDS some language skill.
If you had read ANY italian newspaper in the meaning time, possibily you noticed that "the loser" was able, just 2 hours before of "resigning", to make his balance law approved, WITHOUT A SINGLE COMMA CHANGED BY THE M5S. Not bad, for a loser, right? And now they will go discussing about the new rule to vote, for the next poll, having "the loser" as the incumbent party in one of two chamber. Ahaha: not bad, for a "loser", right?
And this is because italian politics is WAY more complex than you think, and NOTHING is what it seems. But, since the most of politics an anglosaxon can understand is "game of Thrones", which is kinda porn on a political plot, I do not wonder you cannot understand any of european political scene.
The victory of NO was easy to predict. Was predicted, and this is why Renzi resigned immediately: in Italy is not that uncommon you get more power when you lose, than when you are "the winner".
Yes, I am the elite. The elite of competent people, which can at least read the language of the country he is talking about. You are part of the whining underachiever mass, which is complaining because of not being middle class anymore, just forgetting you achieved nothing to deserve being a middle class.
Keep whining, losers. You can put the whole universe upside down, and still you will achieve nothing out of your life.
Your lingual hubris is well noted, Alexander. Do you however describe the results differently, in effect, than as summed in rudimentary English here? "Italy must now form a new government, with finance minister Pier Padoan tipped to be the next PM.
The "No" vote is also expected to give the populist Five Star Movement a substantial boost, and signals — in some respects at least — a further victory for a global populist political insurgency that has already helped cause Brexit and the election of Donald Trump to the US presidency.
However, while the wider political implications of the referendum are largely understood, exactly what Italians actually voted on has not been as broadly discussed. "
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-italian-referendum-vote-about-2016-12
Allora non hai capito. Un referendum confermativo in Italia e' un processo col quale si chiede alla popolazione di confermare una riforma costituzionale gia' approvata da entrambe le camere, in due sedute distanti alcuni mesi.
Detto questo, il significato che tu ci vuoi vedere vale quanto il significato che ci vuole vedere mio cugino: un cazzo di niente. E , dal momento che non sono il tuo psicologo, non sei obbligato a raccontarmi tutto quel che sogni. O capisci di che cazzo stai parlando, o ti levi dai coglioni. Mi sembra un messaggio molto semplice, peraltro emanato nel linguaggio preferito dai sostenitori del NO.
Giusto per la cronaca, la politica italiana e' un tantino troppo complicata per il celebroleso anglosassone medio, che infatti non capira' mai come , dopo una "sconfitta", Matteo Renzi possa far passare la SUA legge finanziaria senza un solo emendamento. E probabilmente il celebroleso anglosassone medio non riuscira' nemmeno a capire come, possedendo una delle due camere, il suo partito potra' far saltare il tavolo di discussione della legge elettorale qualora ne passi una che non gli piace, semplicemente togliendo l'appoggio al Governo "istituzionale" che sta per seguire.
In pratica, lo "sconfitto" ha appena fatto passare la SUA manovra finanziaria senza un solo emendamento, e sta per fare il bello e cattivo tempo sulla legge elettorale. Non male, per una "sconfitta".
La politica italiana e' troppo complessa perche' un idiota anglosassone possa capirla, non sempre una sconfitta e' una ritirata, e non sempre le cose sono come sembrano: fatevene una ragione e rendetevi conto del fatto che la maggior parte di voi non saprebbe trovare l' Italia su una carta geografica. E' abbastanza vaffanculo cosi'?
I can understand enough to tell that you are a very rude person with little concern for true dialog. I am not your psychologist, either, although I could recommend one, and you don't seem to know who I am or what I am speaking about, in any language. If this referendum has no bearing on the tide towards more national strength in Italy, then I accept that I have misunderstood. That is not hard for me to accept or admit. You also have no idea where I have traveled and what my experience is, yet you display a degree of hubris and arrogance distinctive of a mere child bully. It certainly doesn't serve in helping to inform us lesser uni-lingual beings of your superior intelligence. If one comment I make is all it takes for you to confirm that I am an idiot, then perhaps a psychiatrist is something that your mother should have referred you to a year or so ago when you were pre-pubertal.
Rude, and not so smart as he pretends to be; nor he can prove he's smart and understands because he can read Italian… I'm Italian and I say he's a great “cazzaro” — well known with other names elsewhere, he used to run a “famous” blog where you had the choice to worship him and agree with him, or to agree with him… He understands Italian politics as my grandmother understands quantum physics :-D
As your loved Milo Y says, "Fuck your feelings". I am telling you are INCOMPETENT because you cannot read or write a single line in Italian, and still you keep lecturing people which reads italian newspapers everyday and is discussing IN ITALIAN on any social network.
Yes, I am rude. Just half rude life is with anyone, when INCOMPETENT. Keep lecturing someone else of things you do not understand : it will work until you don't met some competent person.
And, just for your information, your M5S is just falling in pieces, in a jeopardy of incompetence and moronity: here is a REAL link from italy. http://www.lastampa.it/2016/12/09/italia/politica/ms-rissa-in-assemblea-e-alla-deputata-infuriata-scappa-una-bestemmia-d53L3iI0zUFn0u82yGXu4N/pagina.html .
Unfortunately, your language skills aren't allowing you to understand it. So, now, how you could discuss? Where is your COMPETENCE?
I miei skill invece sì, Uriello, me lo permettono. Con un link, di uno dei giornali leggermente anti-M5S, cosa pretendi di dimostrare? Che in parlamento ci sono risse? Vedremo alle prossime elezioni se M5S si sta sgretolando. Mi raccomando, quando ti arriva la scheda, vota pure tu!
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If you cannot even speak the language of the country you try to understand, just stop discussing, you are INCOMPETENT. End-of-story.
Di ciarlatani incompetenti che "hanno letto un sito web", onestamente, ce ne sarebbero piene le palle.