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I have just been doing some reading about it and it sounds like something that I could also take for my mood too, only problem is it is banned in the UK.

I might have to take a trip down the deep dark web to see if I can get some that way. hehe

As the saying goes- The night is always darkest just before the dawn.

In case I forget to encourage- get that checked out by someone who is competent and curious enough to find the source. I need a push sometimes so this one is yours. Just do it. And if it isn´t obvious- if you MUST go up and down stairs (apparentl so) minimize that impact.
No jarring or heel walking. Simple things like that go a long way sometimes.

So yea, sounds like you are resourceful and be careful bc the only kratom ¨deaths¨ that are legitimate are from kratom ¨products¨. Other words, mixed with something that is not on the label- The one that started a lot of problems was ¨Krypton¨ sold online in Norway. Was mixed with the very thing you said you wanted to avoid. 10 ppl died over the course of a year or two. Iḿ sure the worst is over but do take care & start too low. No effect is better than badness. And extracts? huh- sure, if you want tolerance problems- right away. The kind of thing you wanted to avoid. I see stupid people in forums all the time complaining about problems that I have not had bc I stuck to the good advice I was given by experienced folk. (maybe 1st time in my life I did something right)

So with that out of the way....Nothing is perfect but it is a real gem. Yes, after about a week of pain dosing (hevier than mood dosing), and weening off, I came to a stunning realization.

I mean, sure I felt better having some of my life back, but my depression- the constant companion was no where to be found. Wh Wha Whaaat?!

And depression was a major driver of repetitive behavior that indirectly contributed to the injury flare up. Call it toxic build up.

Ive been down medication alley for depression too and there is no comparison, considering the drawbacks I had to put up with. They interfered with my life and led to long term damage between me and my family when I did not have them with me on a holiday visit (anti depressant withdrawal is no joke).

Given a touch of motivation, some trial and error, and good sense, this plant will teach you the way. Excessive use? It will start taking back the gifts if you become careless- brilliant!- and effective parenting, lol.

For mood disorders- less is more. If I had known that when I first tried, I would not have given up the first time. Since that 1st run of pain dosing, I have not needed to go back. I have stayed with low dosing to control a handful of other problems that had only worsened over the last two decades. This is Grace.

So if I sound like someone who found the Holy Grail, that´s why.

I live in the UK but I would like to know more about this, do you know where i could buy it from as I am in need of it like NOW lol.

it is getting worse, i have been walking up and down steps all night and it is really hurting now, all I want to do is go to sleep but the pain is unreal

I can feel my heart beating in it, and it is one of the reasons I am still awake at 2am in the morning.

thank you kindly

That's a sound piece of advice @cryptoandcoffee, My step father has just said the same thing to me while I was visiting tonight.

he came off his motorbike when he was a teenager and has always had problems.

finally he went to see a private consultant who scrapped both his knees, it has been about 15 years since he had it done but it needs doing again as he is starting to get pain. both his knees are the size of balloons and he doesn't even make a fuss about it, I wouldn't have even known if I hadn't have brought it up to him.

I was at work earlier and I have had to walk a lot of steps and my knee is in so much pain, I have strapped it up and put some deep heat cream on it and taken the normal pain killers but I am hurting.

Wish me look for a good nights sleep as I am going to need it.

Thanks for your answer it has helped a lot :D

I don't like having operations but this is a simple procedure. Just do one at a time they are cruel as they make you walk within hours after the operation but you will be fine in no time. it took me about 3 weeks before I was comfortable to do walking and a little jogging. Once the one is ok then do the other and you will be like new. It was the best thing I ever did. I am not sure if the cartilage issues would even show on the x ray as my specialist said let us take a look without x rays.