I will have to disagree with that woo woo also. There is such a thing as order, it is very real. Order is allowing us to converse perhaps from opposite sides of our world. What looks like an orderly conversation from my perspective, looks like an orderly conversation from your perspective. And it is all possible because of our rather astonishing ability to harness reality and order it according to our will.
It is not "seeming" order. It is order. And it lasts. Try to comprehend all the systems and industries and economies and social order that must constantly prevail for us to continue this conversation. The internet, the computer industry, power generation industry, plus all the support industries needed to keep those things up and humming along. Its an extremely magnificent coordination of human effort on a scale that is incomprehensible. And it happens day after day after day. And this is just one small example. Now interweave a few other industries such as food production and home building. The interplay of so many different individual decisions by so many different industries and desires is breath taking.
It is not "seeming" order. It is order. And it lasts.
If that was true there would be no misunderstandings. ever. even here we don't perfectly understand each other. this is after all why we have lawyers. communication is anything but orderly. we just get the "gist" of what we say.
Try to comprehend all the systems and industries and economies and social order that must constantly prevail for us to continue this conversation.
In the grand scale of things the time frame upon which this happens is miniscule. In fact give economies a couple of decades and they pretty much become chaotic, resetting over and over again. Even systems like satellites, fail all the time but backups maintain a seeming order. Again, very narrow time frame in the grandeur scale of things.
Everything might seem to work orderly (much like evolution) but they are not. There are chaotic mistakes all the time (e.g DNA) but they are not noticeable. We only get to observe the rough outcome as "order" aka seeming order. Analyze all the parameters enough and you soon will realize that everything is chaotic.
Even your own body is chaotic. From the very moment you are born you become more and more entropic. of course since you are "alive" for you this appears as "order".
The existence of order does not, by any stretch of the imagination, eliminate misunderstandings. Look at this conversation for example. You are trying to deny the very thing that allows you to have this conversation. I am attempting to correct your misunderstanding. But your misunderstanding does not in any way shape or form, negate the order that allows us to have this conversation.
I am not denying it that there is seeming order for this conversation to take place. You are taking the entire concept of the economic argument we had out of context.
We were talking about the perspective of one. For example for billions of other people this conversation is chaotic.
again. i said
//it's always chaos my friend. what is chaos for the fly is order for the spider. depends from which seat you are looking at things.//
read this
https://steemit.com/life/@kyriacos/order-is-but-an-illusion-chaos-is-all-there-is
I will have to disagree with that woo woo also. There is such a thing as order, it is very real. Order is allowing us to converse perhaps from opposite sides of our world. What looks like an orderly conversation from my perspective, looks like an orderly conversation from your perspective. And it is all possible because of our rather astonishing ability to harness reality and order it according to our will.
"seeming order". i do explain that as well.
indeed. momentarily. in a very closed system. now apply that to economies of scale and things get pretty chaotic pretty quick.
It is not "seeming" order. It is order. And it lasts. Try to comprehend all the systems and industries and economies and social order that must constantly prevail for us to continue this conversation. The internet, the computer industry, power generation industry, plus all the support industries needed to keep those things up and humming along. Its an extremely magnificent coordination of human effort on a scale that is incomprehensible. And it happens day after day after day. And this is just one small example. Now interweave a few other industries such as food production and home building. The interplay of so many different individual decisions by so many different industries and desires is breath taking.
If that was true there would be no misunderstandings. ever. even here we don't perfectly understand each other. this is after all why we have lawyers. communication is anything but orderly. we just get the "gist" of what we say.
In the grand scale of things the time frame upon which this happens is miniscule. In fact give economies a couple of decades and they pretty much become chaotic, resetting over and over again. Even systems like satellites, fail all the time but backups maintain a seeming order. Again, very narrow time frame in the grandeur scale of things.
Everything might seem to work orderly (much like evolution) but they are not. There are chaotic mistakes all the time (e.g DNA) but they are not noticeable. We only get to observe the rough outcome as "order" aka seeming order. Analyze all the parameters enough and you soon will realize that everything is chaotic.
Even your own body is chaotic. From the very moment you are born you become more and more entropic. of course since you are "alive" for you this appears as "order".
The existence of order does not, by any stretch of the imagination, eliminate misunderstandings. Look at this conversation for example. You are trying to deny the very thing that allows you to have this conversation. I am attempting to correct your misunderstanding. But your misunderstanding does not in any way shape or form, negate the order that allows us to have this conversation.
I am not denying it that there is seeming order for this conversation to take place. You are taking the entire concept of the economic argument we had out of context.
We were talking about the perspective of one. For example for billions of other people this conversation is chaotic.
again. i said
//it's always chaos my friend. what is chaos for the fly is order for the spider. depends from which seat you are looking at things.//