Greg: you and I both agree the paper markets of gold and silver are completely rigged and the banks can basically put the paper price anywhere they want. That being said I think you would also agree that the banks are walking a fine line in that if they push the paper price too low physical buying will be so overwhelming it will blow the game wide open. Low prices convince the brainwashed masses metals are a loosing investment but only to a point. If the price goes much lower even an idiot has to say maybe I should hold some of this.