@framelalife It is becoming more clear that you are here to defend Berwick, while you are criticising Berwick's victims for being "so freaking dumb" after they've publicly stated how much Berwick defrauded them out of, and have even posted their contact information for people to reach out to them…and for other victims to do so as well. Why is that?
New articles are going up that will have screen shots of emails, electronic messaging, contracts, transfers, videos, etc., that will outline Berwick's theft and fraud. It will be interesting to see who still tries defending him the, while quite possibly having a vested interest in seeing Berwick untarnished for his fraud, theft and lies.
You apparently didn't read my reply to the comment of yours above this reply. My two replies are below. Berwick's victims more than likely find themselves in a tough spot because they either knowingly, or unknowingly, attempted to purchase something from a conman, who knowingly was selling illegal public documents…passports, citizenship papers, etc. He also has done so with drivers licenses in Mexico. These victims quite possibly do not want to be found in trouble for something they may have thought was legitimate and legal, but others may accuse them of otherwise knowing was not. Who knows, but for you to call them "freaking dumb" steps into the realm, quite deeply, of what you are attempting to accuse those who are seeking to expose Berwick's crimes against others.
Berwick knows that his victims are in such a situation, which is why he pursues these types of scams. It reduces his chances of being caught, and jailed, as he should be. He is a professional conman.
As fas as Galt's Gulch, there are several clients who bought into (literally) Berwick's, Kirley's, etc. lies about myself and GGC, so that they will later be rewarded with ownership of GGC 's assets. It's not about being a victim, because GGC was completing the project. It more about greed and covering up a great deal of lies.
@galtsgulch I am not here to defend Jeff. I don't know him, I don't know if he did or didn't do these things, and if he did, then I agree that it's messed up. I'm not saying that people who get scammed are dumb. What I am saying is that if you get scammed, and your only response is to whine on the internet, that is dumb. Do something about it. Take legal action. Anyone can falsely smear anyone online. I only said that there is no hard proof and there's no guarantee that anything @stellabelle posted is true, and that she is risking her rep on here for hearsay. If you were ripped off by Jeff @galtsguch, show the proof. Internet messageboards posts are not proof. You running your mouth on Steemit is not proof.
I don't see anything illegal about selling passports or property for GG. If anyone was ripped off for either one of those things, they have the ability to file criminal charges.
I feel bad for anyone who's been scammed, and have repeatedly said that if he has scammed someone, then he deserves to be exposed. But that does not mean that people cannot smear people online. If you are going to come with some accusations, come with actual proof.
If the customer thought that the good or service was buying was legal, and did not know that the seller was selling illegal documents, you cannot hold the customer responsible for that and they still have a chance to take legal action.
And, please, do not make this about me or my opinions. It's not about me. It's about people on here making accusations against someone and not really providing much proof. And if it's true then it's about the people being scammed. Don't try taking what I said and twisting it. The intention was totally if you get ripped off and all you do is whine on the internet, that is dumb. If I were in their shoes, not only would I seek legal action, I'd be at Anarchulpoco looking to beat his ass and take back what's mine. I find it hard to believe that he ripped off that many people and that there's not one single court case against him for these accusations. I also find it hard to believe that as publicly visible as Jeff Berwick is, that if you ripped off that many people, that someone hasn't showed up with a video camera to his city or his conferences or any other public appearances. Because in the real world, you rip that many people off, you aren't in the public, you are fearful for your life.
@framelalife Fair enough. I misunderstood the entirety of your message. I do agree, people should offer evidence of their statements about others…especially when it comes to serious issues like this. I don't get on here too often, so I lose track of comments, and many times just rattle off responses, as I am in between other things. I didn't mean to divert the subject toward you, so my apologies if I worded my response in such a way. The part about his victims is what threw me a bit, but we all have our own ways of expressing our thoughts…and of course…our thoughts vary greatly. I'll be posting more soon, though not sure if it will be on Steemit. Berwick, and a guy named John Cobin, have a small group that flag any/all evidence that I post about Berwick's and Cobin's actions that they don't want to see the light of day on here. I'll give it a shot for a bit and see how it goes. Hopefully, Steemit can find another way to create truly open and honest communications, but if an orchestrated effort to flag, and remove, posts that offer information contrary to the flaggers opinions is allowed to happen, then it appears that Steemit will not be a great place for freedom of speech and open discussions. Cheers.
@framelalife It is becoming more clear that you are here to defend Berwick, while you are criticising Berwick's victims for being "so freaking dumb" after they've publicly stated how much Berwick defrauded them out of, and have even posted their contact information for people to reach out to them…and for other victims to do so as well. Why is that?
New articles are going up that will have screen shots of emails, electronic messaging, contracts, transfers, videos, etc., that will outline Berwick's theft and fraud. It will be interesting to see who still tries defending him the, while quite possibly having a vested interest in seeing Berwick untarnished for his fraud, theft and lies.
You apparently didn't read my reply to the comment of yours above this reply. My two replies are below. Berwick's victims more than likely find themselves in a tough spot because they either knowingly, or unknowingly, attempted to purchase something from a conman, who knowingly was selling illegal public documents…passports, citizenship papers, etc. He also has done so with drivers licenses in Mexico. These victims quite possibly do not want to be found in trouble for something they may have thought was legitimate and legal, but others may accuse them of otherwise knowing was not. Who knows, but for you to call them "freaking dumb" steps into the realm, quite deeply, of what you are attempting to accuse those who are seeking to expose Berwick's crimes against others.
Berwick knows that his victims are in such a situation, which is why he pursues these types of scams. It reduces his chances of being caught, and jailed, as he should be. He is a professional conman.
As fas as Galt's Gulch, there are several clients who bought into (literally) Berwick's, Kirley's, etc. lies about myself and GGC, so that they will later be rewarded with ownership of GGC 's assets. It's not about being a victim, because GGC was completing the project. It more about greed and covering up a great deal of lies.
@galtsgulch I am not here to defend Jeff. I don't know him, I don't know if he did or didn't do these things, and if he did, then I agree that it's messed up. I'm not saying that people who get scammed are dumb. What I am saying is that if you get scammed, and your only response is to whine on the internet, that is dumb. Do something about it. Take legal action. Anyone can falsely smear anyone online. I only said that there is no hard proof and there's no guarantee that anything @stellabelle posted is true, and that she is risking her rep on here for hearsay. If you were ripped off by Jeff @galtsguch, show the proof. Internet messageboards posts are not proof. You running your mouth on Steemit is not proof.
I don't see anything illegal about selling passports or property for GG. If anyone was ripped off for either one of those things, they have the ability to file criminal charges.
I feel bad for anyone who's been scammed, and have repeatedly said that if he has scammed someone, then he deserves to be exposed. But that does not mean that people cannot smear people online. If you are going to come with some accusations, come with actual proof.
If the customer thought that the good or service was buying was legal, and did not know that the seller was selling illegal documents, you cannot hold the customer responsible for that and they still have a chance to take legal action.
And, please, do not make this about me or my opinions. It's not about me. It's about people on here making accusations against someone and not really providing much proof. And if it's true then it's about the people being scammed. Don't try taking what I said and twisting it. The intention was totally if you get ripped off and all you do is whine on the internet, that is dumb. If I were in their shoes, not only would I seek legal action, I'd be at Anarchulpoco looking to beat his ass and take back what's mine. I find it hard to believe that he ripped off that many people and that there's not one single court case against him for these accusations. I also find it hard to believe that as publicly visible as Jeff Berwick is, that if you ripped off that many people, that someone hasn't showed up with a video camera to his city or his conferences or any other public appearances. Because in the real world, you rip that many people off, you aren't in the public, you are fearful for your life.
@framelalife Fair enough. I misunderstood the entirety of your message. I do agree, people should offer evidence of their statements about others…especially when it comes to serious issues like this. I don't get on here too often, so I lose track of comments, and many times just rattle off responses, as I am in between other things. I didn't mean to divert the subject toward you, so my apologies if I worded my response in such a way. The part about his victims is what threw me a bit, but we all have our own ways of expressing our thoughts…and of course…our thoughts vary greatly. I'll be posting more soon, though not sure if it will be on Steemit. Berwick, and a guy named John Cobin, have a small group that flag any/all evidence that I post about Berwick's and Cobin's actions that they don't want to see the light of day on here. I'll give it a shot for a bit and see how it goes. Hopefully, Steemit can find another way to create truly open and honest communications, but if an orchestrated effort to flag, and remove, posts that offer information contrary to the flaggers opinions is allowed to happen, then it appears that Steemit will not be a great place for freedom of speech and open discussions. Cheers.