Again, where are the court documents and law suits? Nobody loses that much money and does not attempt to recover it. Anyone can make claims online. Anyone can take bad business deals and label them as scams. Still waiting on information that is factual and not emotional.
I suppose we will see. But at this point I see nothing. If he scammed that many people out of that much money, there would be a paper trail of law suits. "Sheep" just don't go away quietly. People go after people who rob them. That's why it's hard to believe, I haven't seen one court document, or legal case name versus Jeff Berwick related to these supposed scams. We see tons of legal documents against others from GG. Shit, not only would I use legal action to try to recoup my stolen funds, my ass would be at Anarchapoco and the city Acapulco where he's very visible, taking back what's mine. You don't see that. Have there been reports of any of these alleged victims showing up in his city or to his conference, or to any of the other places he has publicly spoken? No, I don't think I've read anything like that, and when you are public like he is, that's exactly what people would do. Seems like such a smear campaign with no real substance besides bashing him for some bad business and/or some of his personal demons he deals with, that anyone has the risk of dealing with. I just think it's irresponsible to throw such accusations around without very much substance. And I'm no psychic, and I'm no reporter. I don't know all the details, I don't know these people, I don't know Stellabelle, I don't know Jeff Berwick. What I do know is I don't see much evidence, and it appears that if you don't have much hard evidence from these people, it's not very wise to just throw and slander someone's name on such emotion-driven content. Everyone feels bad for people who have been scammed, it's a huge ugly part of the crypto space, and there is risk in all investing. However, I keep seeing these downvote posts and if you are right, I see why you do it. But if you are wrong, you could have just killed your Steemit career. You are risking your reputation on Steemit based on hear-say and interviews with people who appear to be so freaking dumb that not only do they get scammed, they don't even do anything other than whine on the internet, better yet try to legally recoup losses, press criminal charges, or go straight up gangsta and track him down and take back their money. The whole thing just seems odd to me. Just my 2 cents.
Wow, look at the sympathy for the victims of fraud, calling them "sheep." I thought you were posing as a crusader for the downtrodden. Exactly what's you shtick? Why do you attack one alleged con man, while you advise and encourage the demonstrable criminal, who stole 10 times what grifter Johnson claims Berwick stole.
Johnson documented theft: $10.45 million
Berwick alleged theft: $1 million
Isn't that the question Jeff is supposed to be answering? I mean he was the one that promised documents proving his innocence then failed to deliver and backed out of the promise.
At this point why not just post these documents already if they clear everything up and clear his name? Maybe such documents don't exist. Hmmmmmm.
Those pursuing him, whom I am in contact with, will do so via criminal proceedings, and Berwick's arrest, without any prior notice. This is how you will find out.
Here is one, of the many, victims that Berwick stole money from . Berwick funded Anarchapulco with the money that he stole from his Mexico passport victims. Berwick is a thief and a conman…and criminal…with many many victims.
Hey, gg. I'm not protecting anyone. Stop insinuating that because I expect more evidence, that I give two shits about him or what he does. I just listened to his podcasts because of certain guests he has on. I've read that post. Until someone shows either court documents, something legal to back them up, or at least show proof that they even paid him money, i'll reserve my right to think otherwise.
People keep replying that because of what they were purchasing there is not legal action, which is total bs.
And if you aren't pursuing legal action, then how about these people show proof of the transactions with the email trails. I'll wait.
Those who sent Berwick what appears to be (in Berwick's own words (below)) millions of dollars for Berwick's Mexico passport scam more than likely won't pursue him in court, because they more than likely don't want to be tied to someone like Berwick, or to his Mexico passport scam. It's like a crack addict running to the police because his/her dealer shorted him/her on their purchase. It doesn't happen.
I will provide the conversations, testimonies, emails and documents from Berwick's victims, but I will also protect their identities. Berwick, and those who collude with him, don't like that. They want their victims to feel intimidated. I know from first hand experience. I protect my clients identities and information, but Berwick, and his cohorts who harmed me, and Galt's Gulch, had zero care about such things. Why? Because people like them only care about what they can get out of something, no matter the cost to others. Cheers.
Grifter Johnson has been promising to come forward with all kinds of evidence for YEARS. We're still waiting.
How about making public the Galt's Gulch Chile accounting records and all legal documents as you told the GGC investors? Where's the cooperation and transparency you claim you're committed to?
The GGC Recovery Team made our spread sheets public, unlike the lying grifter Kenneth Dale Johnson, the thief of Galt's Gulch Chile.
Where was TDV Passports marketed as fake or illegal passports. I don't have a self-righteous attitude. I don't even understand what that comment means. A self-righteous attitude is what got those other people fucked? We don't have to agree and you don't have to like what I say. If these people were scammed let's see the evidence. Nobody has shown any evidence. @luminousvisions do you have the evidence? Do you have the court case or law suit information. Show me where what he was selling was marketed as buying fake or illegal goods or services.... if what he was selling was illegal, it definitely not marketed as such, therefore they do have a right not only for their losses but for being tricked into participating in something illegal.
Here is one, of the many, victims that Berwick stole money from . Berwick funded Anarchapulco with the money that he stole from his Mexico passport victims. Berwick is a thief and a conman…and criminal…with many many victims.
@framelalife It is becoming more clear that you are here to defend Berwick, while you are criticising Berwick's victims for being "so freaking dumb" after they've publicly stated how much Berwick defrauded them out of, and have even posted their contact information for people to reach out to them…and for other victims to do so as well. Why is that?
New articles are going up that will have screen shots of emails, electronic messaging, contracts, transfers, videos, etc., that will outline Berwick's theft and fraud. It will be interesting to see who still tries defending him the, while quite possibly having a vested interest in seeing Berwick untarnished for his fraud, theft and lies.
You apparently didn't read my reply to the comment of yours above this reply. My two replies are below. Berwick's victims more than likely find themselves in a tough spot because they either knowingly, or unknowingly, attempted to purchase something from a conman, who knowingly was selling illegal public documents…passports, citizenship papers, etc. He also has done so with drivers licenses in Mexico. These victims quite possibly do not want to be found in trouble for something they may have thought was legitimate and legal, but others may accuse them of otherwise knowing was not. Who knows, but for you to call them "freaking dumb" steps into the realm, quite deeply, of what you are attempting to accuse those who are seeking to expose Berwick's crimes against others.
Berwick knows that his victims are in such a situation, which is why he pursues these types of scams. It reduces his chances of being caught, and jailed, as he should be. He is a professional conman.
As fas as Galt's Gulch, there are several clients who bought into (literally) Berwick's, Kirley's, etc. lies about myself and GGC, so that they will later be rewarded with ownership of GGC 's assets. It's not about being a victim, because GGC was completing the project. It more about greed and covering up a great deal of lies.
@galtsgulch I am not here to defend Jeff. I don't know him, I don't know if he did or didn't do these things, and if he did, then I agree that it's messed up. I'm not saying that people who get scammed are dumb. What I am saying is that if you get scammed, and your only response is to whine on the internet, that is dumb. Do something about it. Take legal action. Anyone can falsely smear anyone online. I only said that there is no hard proof and there's no guarantee that anything @stellabelle posted is true, and that she is risking her rep on here for hearsay. If you were ripped off by Jeff @galtsguch, show the proof. Internet messageboards posts are not proof. You running your mouth on Steemit is not proof.
I don't see anything illegal about selling passports or property for GG. If anyone was ripped off for either one of those things, they have the ability to file criminal charges.
I feel bad for anyone who's been scammed, and have repeatedly said that if he has scammed someone, then he deserves to be exposed. But that does not mean that people cannot smear people online. If you are going to come with some accusations, come with actual proof.
If the customer thought that the good or service was buying was legal, and did not know that the seller was selling illegal documents, you cannot hold the customer responsible for that and they still have a chance to take legal action.
And, please, do not make this about me or my opinions. It's not about me. It's about people on here making accusations against someone and not really providing much proof. And if it's true then it's about the people being scammed. Don't try taking what I said and twisting it. The intention was totally if you get ripped off and all you do is whine on the internet, that is dumb. If I were in their shoes, not only would I seek legal action, I'd be at Anarchulpoco looking to beat his ass and take back what's mine. I find it hard to believe that he ripped off that many people and that there's not one single court case against him for these accusations. I also find it hard to believe that as publicly visible as Jeff Berwick is, that if you ripped off that many people, that someone hasn't showed up with a video camera to his city or his conferences or any other public appearances. Because in the real world, you rip that many people off, you aren't in the public, you are fearful for your life.
@framelalife Fair enough. I misunderstood the entirety of your message. I do agree, people should offer evidence of their statements about others…especially when it comes to serious issues like this. I don't get on here too often, so I lose track of comments, and many times just rattle off responses, as I am in between other things. I didn't mean to divert the subject toward you, so my apologies if I worded my response in such a way. The part about his victims is what threw me a bit, but we all have our own ways of expressing our thoughts…and of course…our thoughts vary greatly. I'll be posting more soon, though not sure if it will be on Steemit. Berwick, and a guy named John Cobin, have a small group that flag any/all evidence that I post about Berwick's and Cobin's actions that they don't want to see the light of day on here. I'll give it a shot for a bit and see how it goes. Hopefully, Steemit can find another way to create truly open and honest communications, but if an orchestrated effort to flag, and remove, posts that offer information contrary to the flaggers opinions is allowed to happen, then it appears that Steemit will not be a great place for freedom of speech and open discussions. Cheers.
contact them yourself to find out the truth directly from a victim: http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/tdv-passports-failure-to-deliver-c707391.html#comments
I have spoken with several victims. It's all real.
Again, where are the court documents and law suits? Nobody loses that much money and does not attempt to recover it. Anyone can make claims online. Anyone can take bad business deals and label them as scams. Still waiting on information that is factual and not emotional.
In due time, sir. Sheep are notorious for not knowing how to address those who do them harm and live in foreign countries.
I suppose we will see. But at this point I see nothing. If he scammed that many people out of that much money, there would be a paper trail of law suits. "Sheep" just don't go away quietly. People go after people who rob them. That's why it's hard to believe, I haven't seen one court document, or legal case name versus Jeff Berwick related to these supposed scams. We see tons of legal documents against others from GG. Shit, not only would I use legal action to try to recoup my stolen funds, my ass would be at Anarchapoco and the city Acapulco where he's very visible, taking back what's mine. You don't see that. Have there been reports of any of these alleged victims showing up in his city or to his conference, or to any of the other places he has publicly spoken? No, I don't think I've read anything like that, and when you are public like he is, that's exactly what people would do. Seems like such a smear campaign with no real substance besides bashing him for some bad business and/or some of his personal demons he deals with, that anyone has the risk of dealing with. I just think it's irresponsible to throw such accusations around without very much substance. And I'm no psychic, and I'm no reporter. I don't know all the details, I don't know these people, I don't know Stellabelle, I don't know Jeff Berwick. What I do know is I don't see much evidence, and it appears that if you don't have much hard evidence from these people, it's not very wise to just throw and slander someone's name on such emotion-driven content. Everyone feels bad for people who have been scammed, it's a huge ugly part of the crypto space, and there is risk in all investing. However, I keep seeing these downvote posts and if you are right, I see why you do it. But if you are wrong, you could have just killed your Steemit career. You are risking your reputation on Steemit based on hear-say and interviews with people who appear to be so freaking dumb that not only do they get scammed, they don't even do anything other than whine on the internet, better yet try to legally recoup losses, press criminal charges, or go straight up gangsta and track him down and take back their money. The whole thing just seems odd to me. Just my 2 cents.
Wow, look at the sympathy for the victims of fraud, calling them "sheep." I thought you were posing as a crusader for the downtrodden. Exactly what's you shtick? Why do you attack one alleged con man, while you advise and encourage the demonstrable criminal, who stole 10 times what grifter Johnson claims Berwick stole.
Johnson documented theft: $10.45 million
Berwick alleged theft: $1 million
?????
"where are the court documents"
Isn't that the question Jeff is supposed to be answering? I mean he was the one that promised documents proving his innocence then failed to deliver and backed out of the promise.
At this point why not just post these documents already if they clear everything up and clear his name? Maybe such documents don't exist. Hmmmmmm.
Those pursuing him, whom I am in contact with, will do so via criminal proceedings, and Berwick's arrest, without any prior notice. This is how you will find out.
Here is one, of the many, victims that Berwick stole money from . Berwick funded Anarchapulco with the money that he stole from his Mexico passport victims. Berwick is a thief and a conman…and criminal…with many many victims.
https://steemit.com/tdv/@stellabelle/victim-of-tdv-immigration-scam-comes-forward-and-tells-his-personal-story
Hey, gg. I'm not protecting anyone. Stop insinuating that because I expect more evidence, that I give two shits about him or what he does. I just listened to his podcasts because of certain guests he has on. I've read that post. Until someone shows either court documents, something legal to back them up, or at least show proof that they even paid him money, i'll reserve my right to think otherwise.
People keep replying that because of what they were purchasing there is not legal action, which is total bs.
And if you aren't pursuing legal action, then how about these people show proof of the transactions with the email trails. I'll wait.
Says the colossal con man who stole $10.45 million from 73 GGC investors.
Those who sent Berwick what appears to be (in Berwick's own words (below)) millions of dollars for Berwick's Mexico passport scam more than likely won't pursue him in court, because they more than likely don't want to be tied to someone like Berwick, or to his Mexico passport scam. It's like a crack addict running to the police because his/her dealer shorted him/her on their purchase. It doesn't happen.
I will provide the conversations, testimonies, emails and documents from Berwick's victims, but I will also protect their identities. Berwick, and those who collude with him, don't like that. They want their victims to feel intimidated. I know from first hand experience. I protect my clients identities and information, but Berwick, and his cohorts who harmed me, and Galt's Gulch, had zero care about such things. Why? Because people like them only care about what they can get out of something, no matter the cost to others. Cheers.
Grifter Johnson has been promising to come forward with all kinds of evidence for YEARS. We're still waiting.
How about making public the Galt's Gulch Chile accounting records and all legal documents as you told the GGC investors? Where's the cooperation and transparency you claim you're committed to?
The GGC Recovery Team made our spread sheets public, unlike the lying grifter Kenneth Dale Johnson, the thief of Galt's Gulch Chile.
Where was TDV Passports marketed as fake or illegal passports. I don't have a self-righteous attitude. I don't even understand what that comment means. A self-righteous attitude is what got those other people fucked? We don't have to agree and you don't have to like what I say. If these people were scammed let's see the evidence. Nobody has shown any evidence. @luminousvisions do you have the evidence? Do you have the court case or law suit information. Show me where what he was selling was marketed as buying fake or illegal goods or services.... if what he was selling was illegal, it definitely not marketed as such, therefore they do have a right not only for their losses but for being tricked into participating in something illegal.
Plenty of people move to Mexico.
Here is one, of the many, victims that Berwick stole money from . Berwick funded Anarchapulco with the money that he stole from his Mexico passport victims. Berwick is a thief and a conman…and criminal…with many many victims.
https://steemit.com/tdv/@stellabelle/victim-of-tdv-immigration-scam-comes-forward-and-tells-his-personal-story
@framelalife It is becoming more clear that you are here to defend Berwick, while you are criticising Berwick's victims for being "so freaking dumb" after they've publicly stated how much Berwick defrauded them out of, and have even posted their contact information for people to reach out to them…and for other victims to do so as well. Why is that?
New articles are going up that will have screen shots of emails, electronic messaging, contracts, transfers, videos, etc., that will outline Berwick's theft and fraud. It will be interesting to see who still tries defending him the, while quite possibly having a vested interest in seeing Berwick untarnished for his fraud, theft and lies.
You apparently didn't read my reply to the comment of yours above this reply. My two replies are below. Berwick's victims more than likely find themselves in a tough spot because they either knowingly, or unknowingly, attempted to purchase something from a conman, who knowingly was selling illegal public documents…passports, citizenship papers, etc. He also has done so with drivers licenses in Mexico. These victims quite possibly do not want to be found in trouble for something they may have thought was legitimate and legal, but others may accuse them of otherwise knowing was not. Who knows, but for you to call them "freaking dumb" steps into the realm, quite deeply, of what you are attempting to accuse those who are seeking to expose Berwick's crimes against others.
Berwick knows that his victims are in such a situation, which is why he pursues these types of scams. It reduces his chances of being caught, and jailed, as he should be. He is a professional conman.
As fas as Galt's Gulch, there are several clients who bought into (literally) Berwick's, Kirley's, etc. lies about myself and GGC, so that they will later be rewarded with ownership of GGC 's assets. It's not about being a victim, because GGC was completing the project. It more about greed and covering up a great deal of lies.
@galtsgulch I am not here to defend Jeff. I don't know him, I don't know if he did or didn't do these things, and if he did, then I agree that it's messed up. I'm not saying that people who get scammed are dumb. What I am saying is that if you get scammed, and your only response is to whine on the internet, that is dumb. Do something about it. Take legal action. Anyone can falsely smear anyone online. I only said that there is no hard proof and there's no guarantee that anything @stellabelle posted is true, and that she is risking her rep on here for hearsay. If you were ripped off by Jeff @galtsguch, show the proof. Internet messageboards posts are not proof. You running your mouth on Steemit is not proof.
I don't see anything illegal about selling passports or property for GG. If anyone was ripped off for either one of those things, they have the ability to file criminal charges.
I feel bad for anyone who's been scammed, and have repeatedly said that if he has scammed someone, then he deserves to be exposed. But that does not mean that people cannot smear people online. If you are going to come with some accusations, come with actual proof.
If the customer thought that the good or service was buying was legal, and did not know that the seller was selling illegal documents, you cannot hold the customer responsible for that and they still have a chance to take legal action.
And, please, do not make this about me or my opinions. It's not about me. It's about people on here making accusations against someone and not really providing much proof. And if it's true then it's about the people being scammed. Don't try taking what I said and twisting it. The intention was totally if you get ripped off and all you do is whine on the internet, that is dumb. If I were in their shoes, not only would I seek legal action, I'd be at Anarchulpoco looking to beat his ass and take back what's mine. I find it hard to believe that he ripped off that many people and that there's not one single court case against him for these accusations. I also find it hard to believe that as publicly visible as Jeff Berwick is, that if you ripped off that many people, that someone hasn't showed up with a video camera to his city or his conferences or any other public appearances. Because in the real world, you rip that many people off, you aren't in the public, you are fearful for your life.
@framelalife Fair enough. I misunderstood the entirety of your message. I do agree, people should offer evidence of their statements about others…especially when it comes to serious issues like this. I don't get on here too often, so I lose track of comments, and many times just rattle off responses, as I am in between other things. I didn't mean to divert the subject toward you, so my apologies if I worded my response in such a way. The part about his victims is what threw me a bit, but we all have our own ways of expressing our thoughts…and of course…our thoughts vary greatly. I'll be posting more soon, though not sure if it will be on Steemit. Berwick, and a guy named John Cobin, have a small group that flag any/all evidence that I post about Berwick's and Cobin's actions that they don't want to see the light of day on here. I'll give it a shot for a bit and see how it goes. Hopefully, Steemit can find another way to create truly open and honest communications, but if an orchestrated effort to flag, and remove, posts that offer information contrary to the flaggers opinions is allowed to happen, then it appears that Steemit will not be a great place for freedom of speech and open discussions. Cheers.