Steemit Strategies - SP: To Lease or Not to Lease

in #minnowhelp7 years ago

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Can Leasing SP Make Me Money?

I get a lot of questions about whether or not leasing SP is good for building your Steemit account. I get the same question about whether they should delegate their SP to various groups, bid-bots, etc. There seems to be a ton of enthusiasm for the whole delegation thing, but surprisingly many people (even those involved in SP delegation and leasing) don't understand the numbers involved in what they are doing. It reminds me of when my mother invested in company because Uncle Darrel said it was great. She didn't know a damn thing about the company, what she might see in returns, etc. But Uncle Darrel said...

You know you can always count on me to tell you what I think even when you don't like it. So today and tomorrow I am going to post on SP Delegation. Today, we will talk about Leasing SP and tomorrow about Delegating Your SP. The following day I will do a post on how to actually go about doing both which will include a video walking you through the process.

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Deciding if Leasing SP is Best for You

I lease SP. I have been doing it for just over a month now and I'm very excited about the results. If you look at my account (completely transparent Steemit), you will notice that I lease nearly 4500 SP. However, the month before I had delegated nearly all my SP. I wanted to see which method would generate the best results and, to be honest, at the time I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I was just so excited that I had enough SP to delegate! I wanted to try it out. Now I have seen the positives and negatives of both leasing and delegating SP.

Before you decide to do either, you need to understand what you're goals are here on Steemit and understand your level of commitment to managing your account. If you are unclear, then don't do either until you get clear. Otherwise, you might just be wasting your time, energy, money, investment or all of these.

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Reasons to Lease SP

  1. Better (easier) ability to split your voting power if you are above 500 SP (slider bar).
  2. More voting power means you are more influential in the circles that you travel in or want to travel in.
  3. Ability to support more projects/communities that you are a member of or a fan of.
  4. More powerful upvote for your posts and comments.
  5. Better rewards for those that visit, comment and upvote your posts.
  6. Leveraging your Steem for all these things now instead of later.
  7. You believe that the market price for Steem is going to increase.
  8. Significant potential in building your Steemit account.

NOTE - If ANY of These 8 Things Appeal to YOU, Then You Should Look into Leasing SP

People Who Should Not Lease SP

  1. You believe that the market price of Steem will go in the shitter.
  2. You don't post at least 5 times a week.
  3. You don't comment at least 45 times a week.
  4. You don't get on Steem everyday for at least an hour.
  5. You don't have any Steem or money to buy Steem.
  6. You don't believe in upvoting your own posts and comments.

NOTE - If ANY of these 6 Situations Apply to You, then DON'T Lease any SP

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How to Calculate the Benefits of Leasing SP

I'm going to use myself as an example because I can show you some marked improvement in my account over the last 30 days since I started leasing SP. Now keep in mind that a portion of that improvement can be attributed to other factors as well so I will give you some hard numbers that you can use in making a decision about leasing. This will be very honest, straight up, and unambiguous unlike many things on the Steemit platform.

Here goes. I leased over 4,000 SP a little over a month ago. At the time, the "vests" were valued less and the price of Steem was less than $3.00 USD, so I got a great bargain because all my upvotes were worth more during the last couple weeks than in the first couple weeks. Good news is that the price of Steem will likely stay about where it is or go up from here, so you didn't miss the boat.

It cost me 125 Steem roughly to renew those leases this week. My cost in USD was about $500.00.
The price for leasing steem for 4 weeks is about 36 SP per Steem. This number goes up and down slightly. Example - Jimbo wants to lease 500 SP, it will cost him 500 divided by 36 which equals approximately 14 Steem. Current price of Steem is about $4.00 USD so that is about $48 (let's say 50 to be safe). So you invest $50, you get to use the SP for 4 weeks. Then it goes away unless you want to renew that lease. Back to my story.

My cost - $500 USD
My leased SP - 4482.111 (you can verify this on Steemworld, my Steemit wallet will show 300 less because I delegate that to Qurator)
Current voting power of that SP is 1.12 STU at 100% voting.
In the slide below, I show the difference between spending my $500 USD on Steem and Powering Up versus Using my Steem to Lease SP. Take a look. Afterwards I will explain the numbers.

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First, I show the value of my Voting Power (VP) by adding Steem to my SP by Powering Up and then the VP of leasing the SP with that Steem. Next, I show how much in STU I will get by self-voting 45 times each week for a month (about 60% of the time). For the Power Up scenario, this is 5.40 STU. For Leasing it is 201.60 STU. Then I breakdown the reward payouts for each in SBD and SP. Lastly, I convert the SBD and SP to a US dollar figure based on a Steem price of $4.00 and an SBD price of $3.5. What you see is that I nearly breakeven by leasing, but I DO lose money (about $22 USD).

So Jerry, why would I lease SP if I will lose money? Good question. The answer is that you won't lose money because none of this accounts for the compounding effect of your SP rewards or what you do with your SBD during the month like using upvoting services or bots, both of which I use. Every day, starting from 1 week after the lease, I started receiving that extra SP and SBD in payouts, I then use the SBD to buy more votes and my increased SP is added to my self votes. In the end of this last month, I was significantly ahead on my investment - At least 15% and probably more.

Keep in mind that I didn't even use 100% of the added SP to upvote my posts and comments. Had I used it ONLY to upvote myself the end result would have been - 313.6 STU for a month. That breaks down into 145.8 SBD and 39.2 SP for a total value in USD of $705.6, which is a 40% return on investment.

So before anyone starts screaming about how greedy I am by self-voting 60% (it was actually 51% because I got real generous at the end of the month), think about the fact that my $500 investment provided me an equal return plus some and it also financed upvotes for others especially #payitforward, @qurator, @asapers, @steembasicincome to the tune of over $200 USD in upvotes.

Yes, like I've been saying to everyone since I started these series on Steemit Essentials and Steemit Strategies, helping yourself puts you in a position to help others. Therefore, I highly recommend leasing SP if you meet the above criteria. By leveraging my investment up front, I was able to increase my engagement with more people, upvote more content, explore more posts and authors, make more friends AND make a bigger impact on the communities that I'm involved with. The results are well worth my $500 and more.

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But Jerry, I don't have $500. I totally understand, but can you invest $50 to lease 500 SP? If you can, you should do it now at least if you're really serious about building your Steemit account and making a serious go of this platform.

Additionally, the more people that buy Steem and invest in the platform, the more value that Steem has meaning your SP becomes more valuable down the road. Invest in the platform and invest in yourself. Then help others become successful on the platform so that we can all reap the benefits.

See you tomorrow.

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Please excuse my ignorance, but are there any good ways to lease some steempower other than blocktrades and minnowsupport? I'd be interested in leasing some, but blocktrades does not give a good deal and on minnowsupport I made already a few decent offers but did not get any takers...

This is a great question and I addressed it in the video of part 3 on the subject. Unfortunately, I don't know of any way to get a lease of delegation other than to contact people directly. Even then, there is some risk as they can "pull" their delegation at anytime and you could be stuck with a loss. This is why I like Minnowbooster because I can set my price and I know that the delegation won't be pulled from me without a refund of my payment. Since Minnowbooster pays the "delegator" daily for the lease, they would immediately lose their daily payment and likely piss off some people with the power to flag them significantly in the future.

I am always on the lookout for other services so if you find any, please share them with me so I can do a review. It would be much appreciated.

Thanks again for stopping by and commenting. Hope to see more of you. All the best.

Thanks for your reply! Guess I'll try my luck with minnowbooster again then :)

How does a sick doctor try to help another doctor? How do we say that we love our neighbor if we do not love ourselves ...?

Your point of view is essentially that. If we want to flourish in steemit, we have to make an action plan that involves you directly, that benefits you so that you grow; By being developed, you can influence others and benefit them.

In steemit, there are the necessary tools to advance, but we must study the road, set goals; practice trial-error; The feedback will give us the guidelines to correct along the way.

We have to take risks, put aside fear and take decisive actions.

This is a very sound synopsis of what I've been trying to impress upon people that read my posts. I started doing much more good within the community once I was better positioned to do so. If I can continue to grow, then I can help on a larger scale. Thanks so much for your support and encouragement. All the best.

I really appreciate all the "tutorials" your making. Sounds like a good ROI at the end-

My pleasure. I'm glad you continue to join us here. Please throw out any questions you have and share your experiences.

yep! Just realized today, that you're a dynamicsteemian, too !

great and interesting post!..thnx.

Thanks for stopping by my friend!

Although I don't have anything against self-votes, I usually don't do it because I don't comment enough. But I guess a solution to put your leased SP at work without self-voting would be to sell your vote through smartsteem or minnowbooster... It may take a bit longer but it will pay off as well :)

I thought about leasing SP and quit the idea... I'll think twice about it :)

Thanks for your post!

Thanks so much for stopping by and commenting. It's always good to see you even if we aren't speaking about energy issues. If you plan to just delegate your SP after you lease it, then I think that you will find it as a losing proposition. The returns on the delegation won't likely cover your investment. I will need to look at this more closely to be sure, but on the surface it seems unlikely unless you are running your own voting bot. Of course, anyone that would do that research would likely have a great post to write about what they found (just a hint to those reading). Talk to you soon and I'm jealous of your Portuguese weather today. It's cold and rainy here in St. Petersburg.

Yeah it's a nice weather today! Finally some sun on my face... We need too much of this, it's like a drug! I'd love to visit Sr. Petersburg! And I guess I should do it soon, since I'm not that optimistic on EU-Russia relationships :(

I was talking about selling my vote (using smartmarket - sorry I mistakenly referred to smartsteem, I guess they're different things), and not to delegation of the leased sp...

That my friend is an extremely informational post. Especially to a fairly newbie like myself. I am breaking my butt, trying to build my account up. I’m going to look into this. Thank you👍

Thanks for stopping by and commenting and especially for the kind words. I'm glad it has some value even to people well above 50 Reputation. Let me know about results and if you have any questions. Either way, keep in touch.

Actually have not had thoughts of leasing my SP because am still learning on here and i don't know much about the platform yet......but i think i'll have to try this out sometime and see if it will work for me.
But for now i don't have much to lease
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Thanks for coming by the post and supporting it. It is always good to see you. Keep building up your SBD and your account and soon you'll be in a position to look at leasing. Especially since you are very active on the platform. All the bests to you.

Thank you for the motivating words sir

Wow. very good your analysis. I'm just starting. and I would like to raise my voting power but I really do not have to invest so I have gone little by little. I'm from Venezuela and getting USD here is a bit difficult. So what to invest has to be with what I've earned in steemit ... I've thought about robots but I do not think it's 100% sure ... you'll know some reliable and ask for little SBD? Thanks for sharing your experience. It is a very good reference to take into account.. At the end you mention that I sent a copy of my publication ... if I could get into my blog it would liquefy I would appreciate ... and I was also struck by the Kryptonia ... What is it about? Is it something like steemit? Thanks in advance for your reply. Have a good day.

Hello. Thanks for stopping by and asking really good questions. Let's start from the end and work backward to the beginning of your comment.

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I will be writing a post on low-cost voting bots with profitable payouts. However, here is one of my favorites that I like to support - @goldenwhale. You can send them as little as .05 SBD and get a profitable upvote. I don't recommend sending more than .07. I use them even though I don't need their upvote because I like to support small bots. Another one is @mitsuko and they even give you a resteem.

Keep reading my posts over the next few days and I will be giving some details of my upvote strategies using bots and pay for vote services as well as resteems. Also, go back and read my other posts about tools and strategies. These are all titled Steemit Essentials and Steemit Strategies.

I'm very pleased you stopped by and hope to see more of you. Let me know when you have questions. All the best to you.

The article is very interesting and helps us beginners in steemit. I thank you @energyaddict22 for the explanation. I am also waiting for the next article.

Great to have you here. Thanks for commenting and complimenting the post. Please let me know about your thoughts or if you have questions. I'm happy to help if I can.

ideally, how many posts a month and comments from us to be able to benefit from the delegates we get?

If you are going to lease SP, you should have a minimum of 45 posts and comments per week to breakeven by self-voting. However, you have approximately 72 votes per week at 100% Voting Power. So, if you only self-voted, which I don't recommend you could get a 35 - 40% return if you had 72 posts and comments per week. I support a 60-40% split between self-votes and curation to others. This way, you grow your relationships quicker without losing money. In the end, you will profit more by having a large group of loyal followers. Great question.

I personally never delegated any SP, but in my opinion or if i will think to delegate then first of all i will see to whom i am delegating because we should not delegate any individual or group who support spam and secondly i will evaluate the returns of delegation and manual curation rewards for the same SP because that's really important because the returns really matters when you delegating. And yes all your points are really important and thanks for highlighting this subject. Wishing you an great day. Stay blessed. 🙂

Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I always enjoy seeing new people here. I think you have a solid criteria for who you would delegate SP to and why. Thanks for sharing that. Of course, this post is more about whether you should "lease" SP and not about delegating. I will be posting later today about delegation strategies and I agree with your sentiments about being very selective about who you give your SP to.

Yes, i will wait for the delegation strategies and yes, the decision of delegation is really important because, in my opinion we should delegate to those who have an vision towards any aspect and not just purpose of greed. 🙂

Another great dissection (only I got the benefit of a sneak peek and account breakdown). One thing you mentioned, but maybe uncertain of based on your response in the comments is the idea one could maybe use leasing And delegating and make a profit. It had never occurred to me that there might be an opportunity for arbitrage there. While I don't see myself in the near future being able to do such a thing, will be interested in your findings on the matter.

A question on the slider. At 100% power that those like myself are stuck with, we basically have 10 votes a day. So suppose I rent delegation and get the slider. If I adjust the slider, does that decrease the percentage taken from the power, in effect giving me more votes?

An example would be I adjust it to a 25% power instead of 100%, will it then only take .5 power instead of 2?

Great question about the slider bar because many people don't understand how EXTREMELY valuable it is. If my 100% upvote is worth 1.00 STU and I switch to 5%, I can vote 20 times at .05 STU using the same voting power. So, yes. You're correct.

I find it unlikely that there are arbitrage opportunities that wouldn't be too risky. With any fluctuation in Steem price, Steem vs SBD value, vote-bot demand/supply, and leasing demand/supply, there are quite a few variables that would have to be factored in risk assessment beforehand. I'm not going to dive into that mathematical rabbit hole to run the economics on it. My guess is that in the best case scenario, there might be a few points of arbitrage profitability and I don't have the dough to make that worth the time.

Awesome. If I don't get the delegation on this first try I will modify my order to ensure I get it. Thank you.

Leasing is a good option if you catch it when the price of steem or sbd and at the right amount. I think it is 1/3 difference.

I've heard a variety of theories on when to lease regarding price of Steem or SBD; however, none of these really fit my strategy on how I would use the SP once I leased it. When I did decide to lease it, I did so in order to build my audience for my blog, give myself better upvotes, and curate more articles to increase my engagement in the community. The results have been very promising after 1 month so I renewed my leases. The price of Steem didn't really factor in because I would have to purchase Steem for Powering Up anyways or buy SBD and build my SP through purchases of upvotes. Either way, I believe the lease was best for me. It just isn't the best for everyone.

Thanks for this detailed explanation of this important topic. I look forward to reading others.

Thanks for coming by. Please let me know if you have any questions. I also look forward to seeing your comments on future posts. All the best.

In love with your post... You are my #mentor

I help at a drug rehab locally and now have more compassion for the patients there. Your posts are addictive for anyone who wants to improve on Steemit.

I powered up this morning despite this info on leasing, as I am focussed on getting past 500 SP as a result of one of your previous posts. It may be a while before I can consider leasing. Our currency is not very strong...

Thank you again @energyaddict22! Even your replies to comments here are very helpful.

Thanks for commenting. I guess I'm "addicted" too because I am starting to look forward to your comments everyday after I post.

You are truly an expert on this platform, It's great to know you in the Kryptonia community.

Thanks for the compliment. I would say "more experienced and better read than most", but not an expert. The true experts rarely even post anymore. They are developing add ons to the platform and trying to make it better. I'm just a gamer trying to find the routine in the system that works best.

Please Sir @energyaddict22 if you can delegate an amount of S.P to me i promise to utilize the oppprtunity. I just want to know how it feels to be a whale

Thanks for stopping by. I'm no whale and I don't delegate SP to individuals. I am happy to help with suggestions in strategy, content creation, promotion of content, and finding the right tools. Please check out my other posts as they have many suggestions that will assist you. No need to upvote them, just read them and send me questions if you have them. I'm willing to help, but not to donate. Wish you all the best.

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A very in-depth and quality post, I have been toying with the idea of leasing steem and although still not a 100% sure, I am certainly a lot closer to making a decision after reading your post and I most certainly look forward to reading more from you on the subject.
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Thank you for the post. @jamescrusader

This post has given me the courage to test uncharted waters. Read it thrice and will still read it again. I'm just impatient to grow. Thanks for this.