@erodedthoughts Most people don't realize that the pills are a double edge sword . and when you do take one it causes another side effect . Every pill has a side effect . I am lucky in the fact that I see a pain management doctor . he has had a positive effect and influence with my regular doctors and the specialists . But there are times when the pain pills come into play . especially now with all the hoopla about pain pills . But you have to avoid them as much as possible . my measuring stick is when i'm on the floor drooling , eyes tearing and the wife is crying begging to call 911 . sucking it up is a way of life . That's why we have big boy pants . I get pissed when asked "what is your pain level from a scale of 1-10 and 10 is the worst pain you have ever felt" as if we have something in common relating to pain .