I am so piss with this dude!
((I just started on hive and instead of receive support I do receive downvote from a jealous guy.))
Someone called “stayoutoftherz” gave me an downvote in my last three posts only because are “overrated” to him...
I asked him why and he said “because I spent many hours making a post and received the same amount $$” dude!! I also made post that took me hours and I didn’t get any dollar and I didn’t went to other people post to downvote them, and I explained to him that’s it is wrong, to me the only way to downvote someone is if they are posting bad things like animal cruelty, etc,
I can’t understand people who feel attacked by other's posts when they receive more than 5$ with just a picture, this platform is for everyone, and all we have different things that we like and we want to support, never will be the same, whatever you don’t like other people do like!
If you don’t like my posts, Silence my account and eat shit.
After talk to him I thought he will stop doing it, and I just opened my account and the first thing I saw was a new DOWNVOTE from this jealous dude (that was the reason from my last answered)
maybe I should buy hive and power up my account so I can give a nice big DOWNVOTE (:, just kidding😂 what I will do is support people (: no downvote them!
Well, I hope you enjoyed this fun fight 😘😘😂
Why do you get offended?
I don't even complain when my posts get voted from €5 to €0, and you take major offense if someone chips a tiny fraction from your huge (potential) rewards. See the difference in proportion there?
If someone does not agree with the assessment that a selfie should be worth €25 that is ultimately their right. Since what the page is only showing you the "potential" rewards anyway that is entirely the correct thing to do if someone seems to be getting more than their post is worth.
Yes you are pretty, but is that really all you've got?
I don't agree with the rewards on this post. If you write something worth my upvote, I will upvote it.
Now There is selfies that worth 58$ on hive :D I am so happy for this, you should join the community and post a selfie too (: https://peakd.com/c/hive-152232/created
That 58$ is away from some quality post that would deserve it.
Try not to think of us as individuals. The group decided that your selfie is worth around $20.
Some think it's worth more, some less.
Somebody who downvoted your $20 or $50 post, might have upvoted it at $5.
This is a consensus process.
I think the selfie's lovely, and have no problem with shortform content, but if it was up to $300, I'd be downvoting it too.
Hive is, and should be a welcoming place for everyone. This also includes all sort of content that can be created, and there are no rules to limit that. Whether it's a long, informative post like what I do, or a simple selfie like yours, it's something that brings joy to people. If it does, and it gains attraction, there will always be up-, and down-votes coming along your way.
The point is, never get hung-up and wonder constantly as to why there's people downvoting what you've made. This is a phenomenon that will keep going, and one might never understand why they've pressed that button in the first place, as that's within their right to do so.
I made that mistake once, and now, I don't even think about the downvotes. It's there, but it's a tiny portion amongst all those that enjoy what you've made. Downvoting has a small effect, and if do well, that negativity is never something that should effect your enjoyment and happy times on Hive.
The last thing you want is letting that negativity overwhelm you, forcing you to hate others, cussing, or threatening retaliation. Let it go, let it be, and know that there are others who share your light more positively :-)
Good vibes to you!! And I am agree (:
Keep doing what you do, and have fun. That's the most important part!
Thank you for the advice 😘😘♥️
You're most welcomed :-)
I wouldn't let it concern you too much,
Those DVs are relatively small, but even so you seem like an odd target, probably because there's not much else to DV.
You're doing pretty well off the selfie photos, so good luck to you. Use what you've got is what I say.
I would recommend powering up, I wouldn't recommend retaliatory Downvoting, that's a negative spiral.
Say hi to Jeff the Legend for me.
Thank you 😘😘 Jeff say hi too!!
The drama on this chain when this goes mainstream is gonna make Trump's tweets look like literally nothing.
No waitttt, did you checked the last meme video that trump posted on Facebook ? It was epic
You say that you just started on Hive, so i'll cut you some slack, but posting 1 pic with a few words is considered a low effort post and deserves to be downvoted.
Really, just having a nice rack does not make you eligible for a $20 post payout.
This photo was your whole post. Shape up girl!
with this kind of mentality, HIVE will never be a network for the masses... only a niche place for long form content creators / bloggers.
I personally think it’s time to welcome the short form content. The micro-blogs. The one picture Instagram-style posts. The memes. The shit posts. That’s the way HIVE needs to go if we want to bring in the masses. Not everyone is a full blown blogger.
But hey... go ahead and give downvotes to new people that come here from their traditional social networks hoping for a cool experience, you can do what you want, but it’s definitely not helping to grow the HIVE.
Well, maybe she'll be inspired to put some more effort in.
Nothing wrong with a learning curve.
No need to shave btw, the beard looks good on you. ;-)
I’m holding out!
Do you really think such low effort posts (showing some cleavage in a selfie) should be rewarded more than something with real value? Or is it just a female privilege?
Nothing to do with male or female. I think people who go around downvoting content just because it earned more than their own content (which they think they're entitled to get more rewards on) are pathetically sad and jealous.
Like I said, I truly believe HIVE is something more than a platform for "high effort" content and full blown blogs.
I agree with you there, but I'll agree with you even more if the high-effort posts get rewarded more than low-effort posts.
It is not about jealousy, it is about being fair.
I can go to instagram and take a picture of my foot and get 3 likes. Kim Kardashian could post the same picture of my foot on her instagram and get 3 Million likes... it's never going to be fair when there are so many different things that go into the equation, everyone has different followers, everyone markets their page differently (sharing to other social sites to get more attention etc), it's impossible for the rewards to scale by post quality because it's a pretty subjective thing.
That's exactly why downvotes are actually a good thing.
Bullshit. This has got nothing to do with what type of content is welcome here. What this has to do with is rewards stakeholders think are misallocated being redirected.
Despite the current downvotes, this post is still going to earn massively more than than many posts of much higher value.
content value is subjective
And every stakeholder makes that judgement on their own behalf. Stop being a bitch about your GF losing a fraction of her very large rewards on a string of objectively low-effort posts.
That's a stupid, disingenious argument and you know it. Shape up, man!
No one is trying to keep anyone from posting. The only disagreement concerns rewards. A couple of bucks would be appropriate for a short-form post like this.
Like there's enough money to go around for shoveling $20 at every Instagram-style single-photo post with a couple of lines of text.
"That's a stupid, disingenious argument and you know it. Shape up, man!"
Nope
Who think you are? There is no rules about the content you have to post here (: check my other post, I also try to make good content, but what’s wrong with posting a nice selfie? My post aren’t affecting your existence, so don’t care about them and the money I receive. I won’t stop posting what I want.
Your posts are affecting the reward pool.
And you are right, there are no rules to what content you can post, just as there are no rules for what somebody may consider to be downvote worthy. So please don't stop posting these (admittedly) nice selfies, but don't be surprised to receive more downvotes on them.
Like @steem-hodler says, do whatever you want, but accept the rules (including downvotes for overrated selfies).
And stop cursing, like here. I am always open to a good discussion, but such language against myself will be also flagged. Hive should not sink to such a level.
There is not rules lol
Then why are you complaining about downvotes and write childish posts about it? Accept it and move on.
What a petty, spiteful, and idiotic way to go about this. It's truly pathetic. There is nothing to gain from downvoting, and yet, out of jealousy, those who feel wronged will do it anyway. All we can do is hope that good people will win out in the end and counteract their bad feelings with good feelings.
There is plenty to gain from downvoting. It keeps the reward pool healthy, it democratizes and diversifies the distribution of rewards, and also there is a curation reward. Who's not to like downvotes?
There is a downside though. There are people who own a lot of stake, and if they don't like you, they can strike your posts down one by one, making you lose all your hopes of ever getting rewards from anything you post, no matter how good the quality is.
Chipping away a small fraction from the potential rewards of someone's selfie because it doesn't look like worth it is not comparable though.
Such a nice and good comment 😘
Honestly, don't worry about them. Someone will not like your work, but others will, so just ignore them.
so true!!
The selfies are fine. Just not worth $20. This particular post that does nothing but complain about downvotes most definitely is not worth $25.
Yup, thats why anyone has the ability to flag on posts they believe are overrewarded.
Disagreement over rewards has been one of the canonical reasons for downvoting from the very beginning. There's nothing wrong with that. Having 20% of one's relatively large pending rewards removed should not be a reason for dissatisfaction.
Yup. Rewards are not yours until they’ve paid out.
Abusive downvoting is a thing, though. But not in this case. The author is still doing quite well for herself. These selfies are worth clearly more than zero although not quite the $20. Abusive downvoting is what a certain TA "expert" used to do when someone downvoted his vastly over-rewarded placeholder posts. Thank goodness, while he was included in the airdrop (as far as I know), he's been focusing on milking STEEM instead. In the worst case, the targets of his automated downvotes used to be unable to earn any author rewards whatsoever for weeks or months on end.
I would argue we need to normalize downvoting.
But I understand. I downvoted steemitblog on Steem and someone came and downvoted all my steem stuff then came over to Hive and downvoted stuff lol.
I made a post about it to spread the news about that person and I ended up getting more in rewards than they wiped out.
It all comes around, but (for what it's worth) I feel normalizing it would be a good thing.
It'll be tough to normalize downvotes when they're being used on normal people for doing normal things. Normalizing a downvote means folks should feel comfortable using downvotes to help combat abuse. Nobody here posting legitimately is in control of who votes or how much they earn yet in this case and many others people are being penalized, again, for something they had no control over. If a downvote removes $1 from a post, the difference between downvoting abuse and downvoting something normal is downvoting abuse removes toxicity and downvoting something normal creates it. The reward pool still gets its dollar back regardless. Why not make it normal to remove the abuse and toxicity? Look at the reason given here for the downvotes. It's pathetic. Then that member came here to act like a bully afterwards. How is that even cool? It's not. Go bully a plagiarist. Get applauded. Be normal.
The reward pool is a common. Stakeholders can use their vote to express an opinion about whether a post is currently under-rewarded or over-rewarded. That should be normalized.
The highly-rewarded people whose posts get downvoted are a diverse bunch in terms of how they react to the downvotes. Some take it in stride. Others start whining and complaining at the first downvote making a huge production out of it. It's the human ego at work. Those people should grow up. It's always a huge source of second-hand embarrassment when people one of whose posts goes, say, from $50 to $35 throw a fit.
Far more humorous watching people pout about others earning, and throwing a fit.
The thing is that the downvoting mechanism obviates the need for throwing a fit. One can just downvote.
People still use them as a weapon, scare tactic, bullying. Anti-social behavior on a social network will be difficult to normalize. I believe in honest curation. If it takes 100 accounts to raise $15 and one to knock it down $15, that's one speaking for 100 people, negating their efforts, saying they were wrong. 101 honest folks, just using the platform and their stake, wiped away. Meanwhile there are instances of abuse going unchecked. The reason why Steem at the time hardforked to offer free downvotes was because abuse was running rampant and nobody could stop it without losing potential profits. They were not interested in cleaning the place up because they were not interested in losing potential profits. So now why should these content creators who are doing nothing wrong be interested in losing potential profits? I wrote quite a few thoughts on this subject recently. Often the actual content creator's perspective is ignored in all this. I've noticed most of the time, if someone disagrees with a downvote, they're labelled whiners, regardless. It'll be tough to normalize these things when only one side gets to express their view.
I fully agree and I do not condone such behavior. For the victims of serious abuse, healing upvotes are something that should be considered. On Steem, one TA "specialist" did a lot of damage by abusively downvoting people.
The issue in that is stake distribution. There are many ways to remedy that including reward earners powering up their rewards, buying more HIVE and powering up, and other stakeholders taking a look at the situation and using their votes to correct it. I recall one instance where someone expressed disagreement on how HDF funds were being distributed in a post that got downvoted heavily by one large stakeholder. The upvoters doubled down their efforts and the post ended up earning reasonably well considering how controversial it was.
Honestly I couldn’t downvote someone’s selfie only because got more mine than my post, could you?
Personally I could. Not because it made more in rewards than me but because I disagree with it's rewards in general. That's what downvotes are supposed to be for though.
All that being said I seldom use downvotes due to most of the content I disagree with being part of a protected class that gathers more than any of your posts I've seen. My downvote is merely symbolic and would only lead to retaliatory actions so what's the point?
So you can unvote my post because you know my account doesn’t have a lot value to give you one nice back but you don’t dare to unvote accounts like @xxxxxxxxxx ?
Well I'm saying I could if I disagreed on the rewards, not that I did. As I said my downvotes would be for much larger rewards disagreement. That being said if you're content was earning those higher levels like those then yeah there should be no reason to not downvote it at only a picture either.
As for why I don't go after these larger users I already explained. My downvote in relation to their upvote power makes no effect of regulating their content. It's pointless as my stake has no power against them. Add to the fact they would likely retaliate then what becomes the point for downvoting at all since I affect nothing and would only harm myself?
If downvotes were to become normalized as @ericwilson alluded to then maybe there would be a community willing to step up in unison to large stakeholders. Until then it's nothing more than a photoshoot.
You should consider dividing your stake across a number of small accounts you don't use for posting. That way you can downvote whoever you want without any fear of retaliatory downvotes. You can use that same stake for auto-upvoting on a large number of authors you like to optimize vote time and thus maximize your curation rewards and completely negate any chance that even the biggest whale on the platform could touch your earning capacity in any shape or form.
There is thing you said that I am still learning about platforms like hive :D I didn’t understood all maybe cause my English lol but anyways enjoy your day 😘
I think the basis of all this is morally, if content curation were not a business that has been reserved for "curation teams", trails, etc., it would be logical for 20, 30 or 100 individuals to vote honest and the one who does not like his Downvote therefore, but that rewards possibly only one person gave it, on behalf of 50 who did not even see the photo and who might not even agree that it is good content.
I do not think it is a personal attack, however it is unfair that you can be the protection of a "user with power" who manages the vote of others (conspiranoia) and together squeeze the pool of rewards while we all watch without using the only method we have to do it.
What the fuck do you have against me? Pretty sure you'd prefer to be on my good side.
I am using your account as example, Because I know you make short content that make a lot money, and that happen with my selfie post and one guy think I deserve unvotes because was a post without “effort”
As someone who has been here since day 1, let me give you a little advice: You're going to get downvotes, just ignore them and move on.
On a more positive note controversy brings attention and you get to meet new followers! 👋 I assume that's how I got here since your stuff was Hived into a shared community. Forget the detractors and just do you!
:* thank you
Ignore the haters! I have an idea: you should start your own Selfie Community....you already started a new trend, might as well own it! Thanks for making HIve less boring!! lol.
Thanks for your comments ♥️
It's what some people do now today. I spent 3 years on here and i don't make a lot. The most i've made was 10$ on a post. But i'm trying and recently have been making better content.
This is how we decide how much a post is worth. At least you got an explanation. They are just saying that they think it's worth less than what it is getting paid.
Exactly so.
Just remember, it's better to be pissed off than pissed on... unless you're into that.
That's because you are a "small account", an easy target. Even if you retaliate and downvote them back it won't really matter.
If you are a Whale then they will think twice or never DV you at all.
Just move on... Hiveans are very critical about rewards, you will just end up on a never ending argument if you keep talking to them about it.
You can't let them downvotes get to you, some folks aren't given any couth in their childhoods, it's not their fault, iyam, they can't know better.
The reason you shouldn't let them downvotes bother you is because downvoting is essential to the distribution of the coin.
You should be following downvote trails with your hive.vote account, imo.
Set your cut off at ~30% and let the hivekeepers worry about who is abusing.
Join the discord (https://discord.gg/hKRE6W) if you want in on the discussions.
Plenty of real abuse taking place.
We need all the accounts we can get.
Not so much for the amount you can claw back, but to let it be known that the community takes a dim view of abuse.
Welcome to hive, you should have no problem finding popularity.
post whatever content you like! There is no need to have "long form'....you can do whatever! lol, scaring off new users.....not a smart move!
I don't know how taking a fraction off of someone's potential rewards can be counted as "scaring them off".
I've been here for almost 4 years and I've been constantly bumping into whales and orcas who have downvoted my posts to 0 with different bullshit excuses, none of which have been "disagreement with the rewards", and I'm still here.
What are you on about?
Do you really think earning > 10 USD for posting a single selfie despite a bunch of low-value downvotes worth not much more than 1 USD in total is scary?
I don't mind them, I give them and I get them, I think its an important part of the ecosystem to be able to disagree with your stake! It was a horror shit show without them before I can attest to that
Congratulations @nicollefiallo! You have completed the following achievement on the Hive blockchain and have been rewarded with new badge(s) :
You can view your badges on your board And compare to others on the Ranking
If you no longer want to receive notifications, reply to this comment with the word
STOPDo not miss the last post from @hivebuzz:
Support the HiveBuzz project. Vote for our proposal!