@aggroed owns the M&Ms
salient point
a natural resource, and essential to survival, mining them such that others died for their lack isn't only wrong, it's criminal.
three points here:
- if a critical resource is controlled by a monopoly and used in this fashion, rights or not, people will kill the monopolists to survive themselves...at this point I'm not even arguing right or wrong, but simple realism
- any resource can be claimed to be critical (see the "need" for the public to pay for transgender operations, as an example of the extremes this argument has been used towards)
- the poor have a moral responsibility as well - to not bring children into the world that they can not take care of
I don't think the moral issues are cut and dried, and the example of the monopolists slapping water bottles out of dehydrated baby's hands is certainly an extreme, but over all, I value property rights over the riot of humanity.
Otherwise, you simply have the takers stealing from the makers at every opportunity. We need to teach humanity to be makers as a moral priority.
Well, property rights are merely one of the rights 'the riot of humanity', each and every one, hold. Valuing their properties more highly than them is exactly how monopolists slapping water bottles out of dying babies hands has become potential.
It is exactly why the poor have so many children. Some of them might get lucky, and live, while most do not.
It's also a tautology, and breaks logic.
Isn't this exactly the problem, and why you post? The monopolists don't get destroyed by starving mobs. The starving mobs are dashed against the defenses of the monopolists.
The takers demonstrably prosper. The makers are prey.
It is clear from history that what stops the poor from having 15 kids is prosperity - in other words, fix their poverty, and the reason for large families is removed. Additionally, the enjoyment of prosperity is decreased by such large families, and this is the conscious reason for adoption of contraception by those who have been born into large families that transitioned from dire poverty, as my father's generation did, into the middle class.
My father was one of 14 siblings. I was one of three. I have three sons.
He was raised in the Great Depression. Subsequent generations of my line have not been. This is the pattern we see around the world, wherever affluence has been potentiated.