Toxic People Are Good For You

in #life7 years ago (edited)

It has become quite popular nowadays to avoid anything we don't fancy. Part of the reason is due to the abundance of choices around us. The main reason though, in western countries at least, is that we tend to shove our heads far deeper in our asses than everyone else.

Since this topic is largely speculative, I will try and give it a personal twist. In doing so, I hope to deliver my point more accurately. Without further adieu, here it goes.

Life, involves variety. Ups and downs. Negatives and positives. Growing up in a rural village, I learned this truth the hard way. I had friends around me that were assholes. Others seemed to always be obnoxiously nice and positive. I was hanging out with people that bullied me as much as I did with people that praised me. In a great extent I remember it could relate to the feral cats of my neighborhood. One minute we were fighting over stupid reasons and the next minute everything was cool and dandy.

Every single friend I made was through fights. If it wasn't physical, it was surely over debates. The reason this behavior appealed to me, was because I got to know people instead of masked puppets. I used to fight a lot as kid. I still have the belief that if you haven't got into a fight with another human being, you have no fucking clue who you really are. Deep down, we are animals after all. Even if one has not engaged in a physical fight, they will surely make it show either online, or worse, turning on their own selves.


I know all these are far stretched — hence why I wanted to keep this post more personal. I wanted to share these thoughts because what I see today around me is rather nauseating. Many people seem to be chasing the positive experience as if life is about pink ponies farting rainbows and candy. Whenever they see someone that doesn't agree with them —criticizes or invokes in any way negativity — they immediately label them as Toxic, effectively removing them from their life. Fights? What fights? What a primitive state of being that is!

The end result: Giant safe-space jerk-circles form. In a greater extend this is why the 'Motivational Culture' has formed. "Everyone can succeed", "Everyone can become a millionaire" ... failing to understand that if everybody was a millionaire everybody will be equally poor. If everyone succeeded equally in their domain then value would disappear. I could never understand how mature adults with over two decades of experience on this planet walk into those conferences with their I.Q. matching the room temperature.

What most people call toxic, I call invigorating. Without negativity and pessimism I would never be able to be a rational realist. Instead, I would more likely form a glass bubble where everything would seem to reinforce my own delusions. An echo-chamber where the rules inside my special circle are different.


Thing is, life doesn't care about the safe spaces that we build. No matter how much we try to hide negativity and "attract positivity", at some point it will bitchslap us so hard we won't be able to make a come-back. The epidemic with anxiety and depression today occurs exactly because people lack skin in the game. They get too softened up with the 'positive', any 'negative' experience seems to be devastating.


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I admit that some people can afford to build bubbles and effectively keep themselves barricaded. Having money surely enables such state of being. For most us though, taking this path and buying into the narrative, can be catastrophic.

How can one form healthy relationships when the hardest thing they experienced is a text book "constructive criticism"? We all took that business class. We all read that article. Thing is, more often than not, these sidetracked theatrics end up being politically correct rhetorics, obscuring the importance of friction and conflict that foster healthy relationships.


Another worrying part of this false narrative is the propensity these individuals have to dramatize every single fucking thing. Since real problems don't occur, small things become huge issues. There is too much sugar in the coffee. The maid was lazy this morning. I gained two pounds and I will look ugly at the beach. No gluten free? What a terrible restaurant! First World problems that turn us more and more into obnoxious spoiled brats.

Allow me to take the toxic label and apply it to the positive thinking crowd. Whenever I see someone overly optimistic about something, I start worrying. Sorry to break it to you but the world involves more negativity due to what physicists call "the second law of thermodynamics". Aka, give it enough time and all things get messed up. This is how most people became so addicted in finding happiness. Those loopholes of 'positive' are so rare that everyone is behaving like a crack whore with withdrawal symptoms.

If you doubt this, take a step outside and look up at the sky. Almost every single point of light you observe is a nuclear explosion with the deadly radiation coming towards us. If it ever reaches our small rock we will all evaporate. If space looks all too depressing but way too far away for you, here on this planet 75% of the inhabitants don't have food, water and shelter on a daily basis. You do. Simple economic principles dictate that most people won't ever succeed no matter how much they try, no matter how many Tony Robbins mantras they repeat. Simply put, the concept of value and success is dependent on scarcity, not abundance.


These are not toxic thoughts. This is what is actually happening all around us. I would suggest to the positive thinking crowd to invite the toxic in their life. They might even built anti-fragility for the unfortunate events that will surely come sooner or later. Like Ayn Rand said "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality".




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Fights make you a fighter, debating (and losing) is what gives you knowledge and accepting the hard reality of life and doing something to correct as many 'negatives' as you can, is what gives you those occasional moments of happiness.

Great article man.

Awesomely said. thank you.

@kyriacos In my humble opinion. I will avoid them.

Cheers,
@yehey
https://QUE.com - I follow all who followed me. I think that's fair :)

Very inciteful bit about "everybody was a millionaire everybody will be equally poor." FB has become a cesspool of the leftover Occupy crowd. Those still upset (reasonably) about their position in life, and how to re-socially engineer our economy so everyone gets some of the action. But if everyone could afford anything, then eventually the prices of such things would just inflate until we are back in the same position we are in today. Those w/the means to "make it," will be at the top again, in no time. While the "99%" would be forced to play this whole game over again....In general these universal income proponents really make me wanna punch a puppy....;) Don't forget the unicorn farts!!

Couldn't agree more with this. Seriously one of my most favorite articles I have read in a long time. Understanding, growth and wisdom will always stem from positive and negative experiences. But actually learning from them determines how much we grow

In the west, those of us who are seeing this happen are calling it "feels over reals". Facts and objectivity no longer seem to matter in this culture, as long as you "feel" it, it must be true. If what you feel goes against, say, thousands of years of science, then science must be "racist/sexist/homophobic" or whatever other ism you can come up with. Identity politics rule the day. Our left-wing academics openly profess that they are Marxist or Communist and that all our problems are due to the racist, white patriarchy.

Personally, I am already quite wary of what I say on the platform here, ensuring that nothing can be misconstrued.

Pretty sure you don't have to worry about that here! Well said. :)

I always chuckle when someone says "that doesn't resonate with me" as if it is some kind of evolved sense they have developed when the truth is they just don't like what they are hearing & affix an "untrue" label onto it.

You said it perfectly. On my page you can say whatever you want really.

I agree. Dismissing those who don't agree with you as "toxic" is possibly the most toxic thing you can do in any relationship.

precisely

Contrast is beautiful. We cant really avoid it.

Yes I agree we do need people in our lives that challenge us. Since you mention unicorn farts. Did you know they were able to harness those into a new product? ;)

oh dear mother of god.

Word... :o
Next time somebody dismisses me, and in effect my opinion, as one that belongs to a pessimist/nihilist, I'm totally showing them this!
Cheers mate!

You are very fucking welcome dudess

Fuck, this post has got to be in my top 3 I've ever come across. Some real talk right here! I only repost high-quality content, and this is getting re-posted asap! Upvoted and I already follow you but I would follow again if I could. The bit about people being obnoxiously nice to the point they're fake👌🏻

Glad I reached out man. thank you

You are spot on, modern way of life and education produced this new ˝cripple olympic˝ generation, which aspire to ascend to bottom instead to a top.

I can almost picture your words as a satirical illustration

Nowadays ,in western society, if you say something slightly against the dominating ideologies, people start screaming and calling you names, (sexist,fascist,homophobe,racist.....) exactly like little children do. it means they never developed the skills to backup their ideas and have no clue how to win a fight. Instead, they all conform to the mainstream politically correct, even if way down in their heart they know they are pathetic hypocrites.

'spoiled and over-protected' pretty much sums it up

I had a couple of thoughts about this topic, but I did really enjoy your analysis overall. The first was that at some point people lost the ability to be content where they are at in life. On the very likely chance I never become a millionaire, I am fine with it! Meh. I enjoyed the journey of life where I have been, and some of that has been in the low SES status! I know people who look for opportunities to work enough in a day to put the roof and food on the table, but that's it. A day job a couple days a week, then the rest of the time to do whatever they feel like. Not go for gold, but scrape by since they prefer the time over the wealth. Not that everyone needs to scrape by, but more people could use a shake to their perspectives regarding those mantras.

On the flip side of that, there is a lot of Positive Psychology that I liked as I studied it. It was not about making everything around you safe for you; rather the focus on things that build resilience. I know that I personally reflect on 3 things a day that I am grateful for, because I want to make sure that I personally do not obsess over what went "wrong". The extreme of these ideas (I believe) is the use of social media to surround yourself with 'yes men'. The people that do not agree, unfriend them. That behavior is exactly what you seem to be challenging, and for that I definitely upvoted! ^_^

I agree with you. But I tend to stick. With misfits, to establish an common language. And teach. Was always, like that. :)

thank you for the thoughtful comment. much appreciated

Mate you did it again, I've had an opinion on this for a few years, mostly because when my girlfriend broke up with me she labelled me 'toxic'! It's so dismissive, self-important and harmful to give other human beings this label, as if certain people are just born toxic and the rest have to survive by identifying them and neutralising them upon detection.
It's sad because the more you dismiss, disrespect, ignore and generally hurt a person, the more "toxic" their behaviour is likely to be. If you love, appreciate and respect someone who is unloved, unappreciated and disrespected you will see their behaviour begin to change. I learned this recently. We are all human.

Indeed, we are all toxic up to a degree to one another. Those who just abandon you because they can't handle the variation are not really worth it.

I would probably just sum it up to say, "if you need to grow up, you need to know how to take the heat and handle it."
I guess when I saw your title I was like, "what???"
But then after reading through I realised that you are trying to point out the 2 extreme groups of positivism and negativism individuals (or rather groupies).
Toxic people to me are those who are not willing to get out of the extreme negative which pretty much who you pointed out - obnoxious people; but though I hate negative stuffs I learn to welcome debates and point out the facts and deal with the problem instead of listening and obliging.
That is iron-sharpening-iron for me these days.
Good post. I've upped one for you.

glad you saw through that

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The idea that someone is "toxic" is subjective. We should learn to work with our environment to bring out the best in us. The truth is we all know what gives us positive vibes and negative vibes , no matter how hard we try these are the forces of the universe , that we preach positivity is buttress the fact that negatives are more around us... we should always strive to be better wether through negative people or positive people and for me that is being as positive as one can be in all situation

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well said

Nice! Upvoted, as usual :)

thank you

The frugal, dispose their protesting breath. When enchanted to a n doctrine like Marxism. Giving it further life, and purpose by having loyal students. Each of which, now think, they are not worthy enough, to work.

And have an career.
But the inheritance that dwindles, as it is only as Gold melted to an third party in all times...

bud@

leads to thinking for yourself and confidence in your own beliefs

yeap

I built cartman land to keep people out.. I'd fancy the woman in the first pic.

...in my safe spaaaace...

If you are not true with yourself or never reached certain levels after challenging your comfort limits , figured how to concur your demons you will never have a safe space to be found. Nor money, time or bribery will beat the cancer you let control your conscious.

We grew up with the saying, "Disagree without being disagreeable." Whatever happened to, "Sticks and Stones...? Great article, well put! Thank you!

glad you enjoyed it

How interesting. A wonderful post.

thank you

Really well written. And Ayn Rand qoutes is always a plus in my book. But I'm not sure if you did distinguish between toxic as in challenges and people you don't agree with - and real toxic people plain out disrespecting you. I'm sorry if I didn't get it if you did. I'm definitely no snowflake millenial, but I don't hang out with people who aren't capable of arguing without attacking you personally or disrespecting ME. Sure, they don't have to respect my ideas or meanings, but I won't tolerate passive agressiveness and ridicule as an adult. Not enough time for that. :)

I actually prefer to hang out with people that disrespect me. I always appreciate a challenge.

I take nothing personal.

Have you ever gotten any of those to respect you after hanging out with them? Ever made them change opinions on any matter?

almost always. even if they didn't change their minds right way, they did a few months after.

On what kind of subjects? Like you got them into liking Trump, or change their stance on gun laws? They came up to you a month later an just went; "I'm an objectivist now! I like rational selfishness!" or "Jared Taylor really has some good and valid points" or " yeah, climatechange is BS" Really? Or more like "Yeah, you were right..Ace Ventura 2 actually IS better than 1" :O

economics (free market), politics (anarchy/libertarianism) and religion (atheism)

I find that hard to believe, but if you say so! :) Those people can't be total morons to begin with, or you are very charismatic. Very well then. Odin approves of your answer.

So, "Quit your whining you little bitches or I'll give you something to cry about."

Sincerely Yours,

Life

Love the powerful quote that nails it at the end. "You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality." - Ayn Rand
It's a great mantra... Thanks!

Ayn Rand hits the nail with it

Being able to engage toxicity in the population reflects on how much control you have over yourself. Your own personhood. Those who fail to know themselves will forever be climbing back into that nice cushy bubble that they've relied on thru life. Let's go Tulip, deal with it.

great summary

Perspective. Perspective is important, I think that's how I'd summarize this text. It was a very nice read! I hope to see more from you. ^^

I will deliver

This is a valuable perspective. I know that I have personally benefited from looking at both the negative and positive aspects of a situation. I have also grown from having friends that I don't see eye to eye with. I don't think you should label anyone toxic unless they are literally causing you harm, like the definition of the word, "poisonous, causing or capable of causing death."

I don't think many people will try and cause you harm out of the blue. people usually react to a situation and then let it go.

Agreed. So throwing around the toxic label doesn't make sense in most cases.

This is exactly what I was going to get to! There are very few really "toxic" people in the world. But they do exist and if you encounter one, they really are best left alone. We aren't in the apocalypse or we could just shoot them in the head and move one. ;) "Contention" though, and "opposites" are what make the world go round. You will never know yourself unless you push to the limits, do something you feel uncomfortable with or talk to people who have different values and ideals. People who refuse to interact with those that are "different" do live in their own bubble and will never grow. You are brave @kyriacos for forcing so many to look at a different perspective, and I applaud you. Me? As long as life is good, I will stay positive. This does not mean that I avoid confrontation, far from it, but I have seen the flip side and holding on to strife and anger is unhealthy. Like you said in the article: ""Sorry to brake it to you but the world involved more negativity due to what physicists call "the second law of thermodynamics". Aka, give it enough time and all things get messed up."" Interestingly, give the mess up enough time and it rights itself. Or you die.

We are all just cave-people wishing for ancient tribal levels of order and agreement... while living in a globalized world, in the information age.

quite trippy indeed

Partly because of what we are taught in school as success. It would be impossible we go and state to an youngster and say that hope you fail this race and learn life's lessons!

Being positive and succeeding in everything is slowly becoming goals of today's teachings. Lessons learnt and attitude built by a single failure outweigh everything that positivity can do to us!

indeed. failure and realism teach the best lessons

Agree that fights can establish the enemies in life, but also the best friends and in both cases, you know the true character of that person.
Thanks for the post.

glad you liked it

Very interesting views. Everyone has a shadow side, but few people are willing to look within and see how they can learn from their flaws.

Indeed. thank you

Good one dude! :) @nulliusinverba made the best comment on this post.. Kinda sums up what I wanted to say!

yeap. he really did. thanx for stopping by mate

Just wonderful!! toxic people in fact helps positive people to think and act more creatively and intelligently in the future days...:) :)

My problem with my toxic friends was that they were the ones that were overly positive and I couldn't feel or think any other way.

toxic people literally do not exist and its a poorly worded statement. people are either compatible with you and within your framework or not. going heads on into a challenging relationship certainly is beneficial to your personal development, but people who consider themselves fully developed and live a stable life have no reason to nurture relationships that are in nature stressful. but i don't like the positive thinking crowd, sometimes they go way too far and dont feel emphatetic for people less fortunate

I think you seem to doubt the ability of visualization to change ones future path in terms of success. With a view in place and ability to act on opportunities one can achieve immense success, with luck on their side of course. Positive thinking must allow realism though and unfortunately those with no understand of a balance sheet, profit and loss statement or the concept of money will unlikely achieve any business based success.

On a lighter note **** the safe space morons.

there you go :)

to put it in simple terms as it relates to reality

luck > effort

Luck plays a large part. But being too much of a realist closes up your potential for success through a lack of visualizing yourself in that successful position.

Effort and intelligence as well as timing are key to any sort of enterprise including an appreciation of what the market wants and the legalities behind it.

As controversial as it sounds, and denying my bias to naturally hate you have to give it to Nathan Rothschild. He had wealth to start of with but what a cruel and evil genius.

I will check this out. Still sticking to my "luck" narrative though. I know many people that tried their best and failed while others did little and succeeded.

Fair enough, I wouldn't give up though! Found this on the net which talks about visualization

"Using visualization techniques to focus on your goals and desires accomplishes four very important things.

1.) It activates your creative subconscious which will start generating creative ideas to achieve your goal.

2.) It programs your brain to more readily perceive and recognize the resources you will need to achieve your dreams.

3.) It activates the law of attraction, thereby drawing into your life the people, resources, and circumstances you will need to achieve your goals.

4.) It builds your internal motivation to take the necessary actions to achieve your dreams."

It "can" work. doesn't make it a recipe though. more like wishful thinking. millions of books with these words have been published. so many though saw any results. that alone should make you think about the power of those sentences.

The idea behind positive thinking is that you create in yourself the ultimate person that you want to be. You present yourself to others as you want them to see you. It is basically the same idea as self confidence, but too many people pick up a "positive self-help" guide and expect it to help them the way that that 6 disc series on weight loss helped them.It doesn't work that way. You have to change your OWN WAY OF THINKING to help yourself. That's all that positive thinking is. People turned it into some stupid fad. "Know thyself" is more powerful, and you seem to have that down no problem ;)

Discipline is a muscle that must be worked. Like the biceps or the brain, our discipline will atrophy if not exercised.

The article was awesome. I am following you fosho!

I do think though that we can find a middle ground that is positive but doesn't put "feels over reals (first time I heard this phrase and I love it now)."

For me, staying positive means not complaining if I am not going to do anything to change my situation. If I complain and do nothing, it means that I am being complacent and letting the world happen to me instead of using my agency to make whatever impact I can on the world.

I also used to be very oversensitive about people disagreeing with me (getting better at this but still working on it). I am positive by striving to not let my feels control the reals. I make sure that I am positive by not letting these irrational feelings make me act in a way that is passive. I also strive to make sure that a disagreement I have with someone doesn't interfere with my relationship with them.

Nice to hear you had a change of heart. This is one sounds much healthier.

Very well said as usual, love your posts

great read and wonderful post as always @kyriacos
upvoted and as you know following...

thank you

welcome as always @kyriakos...can see you doing great...keep it up

Great insight, Thanks for sharing! Love your writing style. Expecting life to be always positivity is one way shitsville. If we look externally, the world is always a friendly, bountiful place. And we don't feel the same, we are probably messed up. Life is not about feeling good at all time. It's about being fully present with what is and letting everything in so that it can move through you. Be it manifested as a person, object or just a shitty situation. The attitude, courage or sheer ability to facing the reality is legit enough positive trait of humankind​. But then what is the reality? the toxic misfits? Our Self-deceited folks who lives in pretense and takes a ​superficial view of life? Our friends and partner who tend to make things little too hard - and yet we love them for who they really are? Or social conformist who live out their goals of material pursuit with ​little regards and sensitive of what's good, bad and ugly?

thank you. nicely put mate

Thanks a lot. I must admit I do like your writing!

loved ur article kyriacos, have u heard of sick building syndrome I think this article is important https://steemit.com/health/@whitedolphin/is-your-building-making-you-sick#comments

I will make sure to check it out.

Yes, fights. Get thrown in the battle. Get knocked to the ground to get back up again. If it is a debate, then wait for the mistake and take advantage. It is all a game of chess.

Yeap. Everything in life is

This post is interesting
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Thank so mucs

very well said...!!!
I can relate this article to my life very much...!!!

Glad you do

what if that toxic person is your own brother? how do you deal with that? any suggestions? Upvoted!

you engage them

I think the problem lies not on positivity or negativity but on people labeling people. We love grouping people and putting them in boxes. Millennials, gen x, baby boomers. Metrosexuals, hipsters, ladies and gentlemen. What if one isn't a lady or gentle? Good samaritans, jews, niggers, neo nazis. Skin heads, punk, nerds, jock. Dare I say minnows dolphins whales? We love our labels. And maybe that's a fact of life.

exactly...the 'toxic' label is yet another one. Anything we don't like falls into that category.

Love the post Thank you. In my experience so many people are unable to have original thought. They are products or their indoctrination and are exhibiting stockholm syndrome.

I agree. I have always looked at it like this- everyone you meet has something you need. You met for a reason. And when someone leaves your life it is because they no longer have something to offer you in order for you to grow, or be nurtured, or learn from, etc. And it's mutual of course. Therefore I cherish each interaction and human, even the ones that are tough to take ;)

Everyone has their place in someone's life , can be either positive or negative . We just have to choose how those people will play certain roles for you . It's good to have toxic people around, they make you more aware.

Really loved reading this !

Thank you

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