Have a look at this ... I spend time on Hive talking with people who love to talk ... when people don't even want to be doing the good they are doing for the sake of the good itself, but just as a means to an end, well ...
https://peakd.com/@lordbutterfly/re-deeanndmathews-sn9vdu
(@verbal-d, should you ever see this, the linked exchange confirms why I can't be involved with certain things any more ... and @mcsamm and @collinz, better look out. It's also in the Sept. 22 proposal from VP: any good being done is only being done as long as it gets attention. The minute the people at VP don't think they are getting sufficient press to attract the people they are really aiming for, it's over. It's explained in the Sept. 22 proposal, but the relevant quote is also in my response).
A point you made right off with your first comment to me was that fundamental principles matter, and this truth is apparently very elusive in some quarters. You made every effort to enable them to succeed, and prevent what's likely to happen instead.
Keep fighting the good fight!
I will keep fighting it -- even if the best I can do is make sure "we didn't know" is not a valid excuse!
I realized there are no excuses. There are only reasons. This changed how I think, and gave me greater peace of mind.
You are right. Most people do not see that, and so they think ... but no. We choose what we do for various reasons, but there is never an excuse for choosing to do evil.