If you're curious about why I have been flagging #kr posts recently, hopefully this provides a little context.
As you can see by the images below, Korean posts are routinely receiving $2-3 reward per VIEW of their posts. Rarely do they have more than a couple comments and it's plain as day these posts are being regularly upvoted by the same people just to reward the Korean community. Now, I see no problem with rewarding your friends, I do the same! The difference is that I don't go whining about flags that negate bullshit votes.
Your payout isn't final until it's final.
Anyone can flag any post to reallocate the rewards.
This is how Steem works.
Deal with it.
As you can see from my vote history, I am not targeting Korean posts, however, they are currently the largest offenders reaping large rewards for posts that have little to no value (in my opinion). If anyone notices any posts with large rewards that just don't make sense, feel free to shoot me a message!
Thanks Bernie Sanders.
I hope your efforts will be an effort for the development of steam.
Your efforts will make the Korean community stronger and more expanding.
The present Korean community is not a future Korean community.
Koreans are unique people who never give up.
고마워 버니샌더스.
당신의 노력이 스팀의 발전을 위한 노력이길 바란다.
당신의 노력으로 대한민국 커뮤니티는 더욱 강해지고 더욱 확대될 것입니다.
지금의 한국 커뮤니티가 미래의 한국커뮤니티는 아닙니다.
한국인은 결코 포기하지않는 독특한 특성을 가진 사람들입니다.
Curious Question- Do Koreans support work done by others other than those with KR tag I mean.
Whale downvotes / Collusive communities! Whatever next??
Hmm a tricky predicament. I think the way to go about it unfortunately it to yes upvote the people you follow, follow the people you appreciate and I guess downvote those who you think are gaming the system especially newcomers who are now holding way more value than I who joined in September, 2016, and have yet to make 100 followers and hardly any money despite hours and hours of effort trying to make s post that gets some upvotes. Idk what to do but just keep chugging along and fighting to stay ahead of the curve and not be swallowed alive by invading forces. We must protect our home, STEEMON!
You don't like Kim Chi?
My girlfriend is a Korean
My wife's car is Korean, so what? Doesn't mean we should let a huge number of people, no matter where they are from come in and game the system that we have been working hard to monetize for many, many months now. But ai might have to translate my posts into Korean to make it worth it hahaha
@berniesanders I understand your perspective on this but I would encourage you read/translate some of the recent posts because there is huge debate within the #KR community at the moment about voting power and voting direction and it's being conflated -
https://steemit.com/kr/@woo7739/3khukt
https://steemit.com/kr/@yoonjang0707/woo7739
I agree that some of the members are using their posts to pump and dump each others' value but many are trying to concentrate their vote to weed out the cash-grab shit.
I'm aware of yoonjang's motives as I've been made aware of recent conversations. I am going to continue as I have.
Do you homie, btw I voted for you in the General Election, write-in style ;)
Thanks for explaining, you didn't need to explain and you did anyway. So maybe your not such a bad guy. By the way, I've written what I think are good posts and not gotten rewarded so much. I will include a link in case you want to reward a post. If not, no problem. Just thought I'd try, no harm in asking. It's hard to get noticed sometimes. Thanks for your consideration @berniesanders!
https://steemit.com/photograph/@paradise-found/trip-to-st-louis
Thanks @berniesanders! Steem on!!
Same here. Many posts written, little rewards had. What is a STEEMIAN to do? I guess FOLLOW, UPVOTE and try to create good content, in more than one language.
I'm in for the long haul and really enjoy the community. That's what I'm doing as well, create, follow, upvote, repeat. Also I've found that visiting the introduce myself posts and welcoming new Steemians gains followers. I'm following you now!
One more thing @wwamd, be involved in the community. Read and curate other posts, meaning upvote posts you like. Leave a comment, I believe this part is crucial. I order to receive comments, we must give them. Good luck and steem on!!
UPVOTED AND FOLLOWED
Bottomline- it appears that the system may be flawed and some users who have been around long enough have found ways to make it work to their advantage.
I'm relatively new, feel free to correct my understanding of how it works.
Steemit aims to reward quality content.
Quality is defined by upvotes, comments and resteems.
There is a set amount on reward pool- so everyone and anyone posting, in essence, are fighting for a piece of that pie.
Your SP translates to higher $ valuation, or devaluation, of posts you upvote/downvote
A high SP group, collectively supporting each other would then definitely be able to take a bigger share. This is working smart.
A high SP downvote on these contents can somehow put back some balance, and put some money back on the reward pool.
Steemit is just like the world out there- money, power and influence matters most.
What is viewed as a quality post of someone with the means to purchase SP, is rewarded way better than what is viewed as a quality post of an average user.
Some posts are clearly reaping rewards, especially those who already have a high reputation. There are picture posts with 4-5 lines and a couple of pictures that earn 100+ each time. Same people trending with the same content daily. They know very well why and how they are doing it.
I spend about 2-3 hours a day to write an original post idea and make it at least "worthy". After a year I can safely say that circles matter more than content.
it is what it is though like you said. This is how the outside world works as well.
I'm with you kyriacos, I spend a lot of time on my cigar reviews, and I've been here since last July... I am thankful for the $10-$15 on each, especially since cigars smokers are not a large membership on Steemit, yet.
I think part of it is never ending circle of once one earns a lot on a post, people then autovote them for the curation rewards because they always make money. But they always make money because people vote wanting the curation rewards, never ending circle. It's almost impossible to lose those auto votes regardless of content quality.
aaaahhhahahahaha :):) Best tag ever!
UPVOTED & FOLLOWED
Bernie, I wholeheartedly support your efforts in exercising your stake here on steem.
This is something that more steemians need to understand. No one should be getting so offended.
Keep up the good work Bernie
UPVOTED & FOLLOWED
@tygergamer blog is getting huge rewards every day, something like 1600$ in 18 days. Absolutely nothing against the kid, we just need to regulate rewards better. Those huge rewards for just one video posting and he is not even answering comments, it just don't make any sense. Like you said.
This is kind of nuts. My playstation could be earning me a lot more... >=/
Even if you can look it up on the blockchain, I still think potential earnings should be invisible here on Steemit until payout. Why? Because it's a gift, and our parents should've taught us not to peek until it was time to open it.
That's what I'll be telling the tax man, if they ever ask about my earnings!
Even if they don't see it that way, I know of no other way to define it myself.
Keep it as Steem, spend it as Steem, and surely there is a way to out fox the tax code.
Tax avoidance is legal.
#TaxationIsTheft
Indeed.
No its absolute cecessity to know the earnings of everyone in decentralized community. I even think that is really important in centralized because you lower the chance of yourself AND the others of getting ripped off. At least that’s what I think, I of course, don’t know the truth.
I didn't say hide the final earnings. I said hide potential earnings - as in, what the amount says it COULD be before payout occurs. Once it pays out, it would be visible.
And how would you then decide whether the payment is insufficient, or the opposite, for the contribution of the post?
Since when is ANY amount of free money "insufficient"? Key piece of advice when posting on this platform - Remove all expectations.
You misunderstand. I’m talking about the perception of the curator. He, be it you, or me, valuates every content read, and decide whether it deserves a vote still, or not. It doesn’t have anything to do with expectations.
100% agree man. I'm following now :)
a better way would be to make the earning transparent [ as they are and should be on the blockchian wtf, man, decentralized and "no peeking"? are you kidding me? there's no decentralization with no peeking, think about it!!] but the authors anonymous somehow. but then you hae a host of other problems..
My approach is to simply address being thankful for what you get. You won't earn anything like this anywhere else for the kinds of posts that make money here. You're free to have your opinion about my opinion all you like.
This was about no peek. Of course gratitude for being on steemit is |MORE than appropriate, man!! Come on :)
l o l. i love the rewardpoolrape - must be on the list for the best hashtag on here so far.
I remember the old bernie being an asshole, this is just routine mantainence IMO.
Bernie, ive already said this before...
Your getting soft bro.
Since when have you been explaining your behavior?
nobody will understand anyways because they see it as just stealing from them.
Keep up the goid work
Damnit, you're right. I should go back to just being a complete monster.
This one cracks me up, but seriously thanks for the explanation. I'm a new person joining the Steemit ecosystem from the Bitcoin world and there's so much to read and catch up on. Understanding the constantly changing technical workings of the system is tough enough, but being blind about the politics (or maintenance) of the community is a turn off from an investment perspective.
Steemit still has a while to grow and your explanation helps people build confidence in the system. Communication is good. Thanks.
You have always been cool with your votes on my stuff. Everyone has their own reasons why they do or do not vote. It does help when the big fish have some ethical system of voting. I have been going through a streak of almost no votes. Better than a down vote any day. I still have a reward if I get a chance to talk to someone new on here or get someone to comment. I can't say I don't like rewards because I do. But it is not the only reason some of us are on here.
Thank you for the effort expended, Bernie!
Happy to see people looking at the quality at the posts.
I Don't think i'd do any good if i Flag posts given my current minnow status.
Is there any other functions that the flag does? Does it get reported to the steemit board or get reviewed by someone ?
Anyways lovely to see people having a good judgement over content.
People like you keep the spam heads at bay.
Nothing against kr posts tho. If its good quality its good quality.
Cheers :)
No, there are no effects other than redistributing rewards and affecting the accounts rep.
I support this. I have been thinking the same, but I can’t do shit with my influence :). I have been watching you and @engagement recently and I haven’t found an occasion, where it would be abusive flagging. Either I understood why the person perceive the content as shit, or it was a vote to counter a whale voting with a lot of percentage (as far as I’m concerned the no-voting-whales plan is still going on.)
in principle, i agree with everything you've said. thank you.
as we grow we will make adjustments.
Your Steem.
Your reputation.
Your flags.
Your time.
Your right to do as you please as long as you maintain non-aggression principle and that only covers physical aggression.
So flag off!
My second id, @economyit, is used as a promotion cost for steemit. Is this also garbage?
https://steemit.com/kr/@economyit/2017-05-19-kr-go-to-person
I respect your cause. I think so too. But there is something you do not know.
I write to steemit more than 5 hours a day.
I am in economic affairs : https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/5-18-7
Book recommendations : https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/78zvop
Self-made poetry : https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/7rkinq
Movie recommendations : https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/passengers
This category is divided into professional postings. I do not understand why I do not understand all my articles.
나의 두번째 id인 @economyit은 steemit의 홍보비용으로 사용됩니다. 이것도 쓰레기 글입니까?
https://steemit.com/kr/@economyit/2017-05-19-kr-go-to-person
나는 당신의 취지를 존중합니다. 나 역시 그렇게 생각합니다. 하지만 당신이 모르는것이 있습니다.
나는 하루에 5시간 이상을 steemit에 글을 작성합니다.
나는 경제시사 https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/5-18-7
책추천 https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/78zvop
자작시 https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/7rkinq
영화추천 https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/passengers
이렇게 카테고리를 나누어 전문적으로 포스팅 합니다. 왜 나의 글을 다 이해하지 않고 모욕하는지 모르겠습니다.
My post is not just a picture file. This is my own self-written poem. I did not register a simple picture file. Please check again exactly.
From now on, my own city will be posted like https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/may-s-poem-go-to-person-self-made-poetry. I only upload what I make and write myself. It is not a garbage post.
나의 게시물은 단순한 그림파일이 아닙니다. 내가 직접 쓴 자작시 입니다. 단순한 그림파일 하나를 등록한것이 아닙니다. 정확히 다시 확인해 주세요.
이제부터 나의 자작시는 https://steemit.com/kr/@gotoperson/may-s-poem-go-to-person-self-made-poetry 이렇게 올릴것입니다. 나는 내가 직접 만들고 작성한것만 올립니다. 쓰레기 게시물이 아닙니다.
I posted a response.
https://steemit.com/kr/@clayop/are-korean-posts-really-overvalued
I have to say that Korean community is not very supportive of other members. I do acknowledge the fact that they have invested heavily in Steemit and will obviously try to reap the max possible rewards, but giving back to the community is also essential. Once I posted a comment in English on a Korean post and they made fun of me. But then again, all people are not same. I just wish that they support other communities and members also, especially newbies.
Hi Bernie,
Thanks so much for the information. You seem spot on regarding the voting system! Crazy unfair.
I love your posts.
I got 239 votes on my recent post, 54 comments, but only $107 vs. others who got less votes, less comments and greater payout.
Thanks,
https://steemit.com/steemitphotochallenge/@sunildkavuri/awe-inspiring-uluru-steemitphotochallenge-41-landscapes
Ohh man so we still got a circle jerk going around here? typical
Consistently high ratio of votes/views/rewards. Must say, I see this on English posts as well. Not difficult to find posts with 2 to 3 times more votes than views with similar rewards. But I know, you cannot take on everything at the same time.
Sometimes you piss people off with your "art"
https://steemd.com/tx/1422d3af9b998c7f675e4b72c58469b12769781b
I love you too, friend :)
You only have one ❤️
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The comments praising you have never been flagged by a megawhale.
Maybe they haven't deserved it, have you considered that?
Deserved what? The money?
Maybe they haven't deserved to be flagged by a "mega whale".
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Well it is going to be a year since steem was 4 dollars a pop. It was happening back than and its still happening now bleeding the system is thier thoughts. As much as we want to grow this place and anything there will always be those whom will bleed the very thing that is rewarding them.
내가 내 마누라하고 사이가 굉장히 안좋아. 그래서 주말마다 상담을 받거든. 근데 그렇다고 옆집남자가 내 마누라 흉보면 뚜껑이 열린단 말야.
한국인 커뮤니티에서 알아서 조정할수 있고 충분히 자정작용 할수 있어. 지금 과도기도 아니고 초반이라 이런저런 일들이 있는데 그러면서 헤처나갈거라고 .아니 뭐 첨부터 딱맞게 잘되는거 있나. 니가 뭔데 파워로 갑질이야.
영어로 적을려다가 니가 알아들을까봐 한글로 적는다
조퓽신의 조퓽신같은 이론
Trolling for $$$... smh.
I have posts of big value, one opened as we speak.
Would you mind to upvote me as I barely get rewarded for sharing my knowledge and photos. Must be I have no real audience in here. Worked nice while curie supported me, but not after I passed their levels.
However, it is nice to see that someone takes care of content, and not spamming for votes.
What about the porn posts that have one whole sentence and a picture of tits but make more money than someone who spends hours writing and editing their posts?
Can you explain why you flagged my post?
I worked hard to collect these stats. Really do not understand why ...
You don't think $100+ is enough of a reward for an hour spent collecting stats? Is that what you're trying to tell me here?
I'm impressed how accurate you are at evaluating time it took to me. Tell me how you do.
Maybe my post was full of shit. Is that what you're trying to tell me here?
I'm not wasting my time with you anymore. It's obvious you're another user who feels entitled to the rewards before they're even paid out. Go get a real job.
I was not talking about my reward. I was asking if any reason you had other than subjectively categorizing people and how they think.
maybe someone can develop an index of $/view so many of us can decide whether or not to support the author/post? that way, even myself will be put to the test but I welcome it... it's good for steem. nice to see you still vital and energetic as always bernie!! :D
I appreciate the shoutout @technocomanche but just a clarification, this post was written in English and I never translated it. I've tried to keep up posts in both English and Korean to connect the two. I certainly do hope some robust way of translating posts comes out though.