It is forbidden and sinful to abuse your wife and children in islam. This woman has a right to a fasakh (annulment of the marriage). There is a misconception that islam allows this. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "The best of you is he who is best to his family, and I am the best among you to my family." ... The right thing to do is report him to the police and to continue to help the woman and her children.
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"Abuse" has to be defined. To me it seems that after An-Nisa, 34 it is quite "allowed" to beat ("strike") a disobediant woman.
I am surely no expert in Quran matters, but in any way this is translated, there still remains the beating. Sure there are many of (mostly western) muslims thinking and acting differently there is no doubt about it. BUT the fact that the woman believes that the situation was her fault and that it was rightful of her husband to beat her is for me proof enough that we have a cultural problem here. And that this is one of the problems that is not easy to overcome ...
SHE will not leave her husband (even if she was force-marriaged to him at the age of 14) and says she learned to love him. This is again cultural and will be transported to their children as cultural heritage by setting examples to them.
Please watch this video for the correct understanding of the verse.
Please watch the video for the correct understanding of the verse.
Again "correct" is about definitions. I will have to google 1 min to finde a dozen videos that intrepret it in another way. I spend far too much time in trying to understand quran, bible, tora and writings of buddhism. Forgetting in the meantime, to be a productive good person to those who are close to me.
We could now start throwing verses of bible and quran at each other and discuss how to interpret them. From my point of view this is just a waste of time. Let's just start being decent people without hurting others and trying to help those who are in need and who we care about.
I neither need Bible nor Quran to know that beating my wife is a bad thing. If I have to interpret something differently than it was written to get a moral understanding that is fitting my good intentions... probably it's just useless to interpret it in the first place.
Thomas Aquinius once said: "hominem unius libri timeo" ( "I fear the man of ONE book") and he is totally right about that. Ignorance MUST be the consequence of it, no matter how you define or interpret it.
If you are a "productive good person" to people close to you, then why can't you be a good person to this woman and her children by reporting the husband to the police... Why do you care or worry about their so called "culture"?... Couldn't you just help her when she needed the help or is it German culture to first check the culture of the person committing the crime?.
You are very correct, but i think it was stranger to @pollux.one when he discovered the man beating up his wife because in german culture men don't beat up their wives and so he decided to check the culture and religion of the man.
I helped in the first place by stopping him. I helped further by offering her and her children asylum if she needs it. I helped him by explaining to him how we feel about his behaviour and telling him, that we will not tolerate it in future.
As the man was more concerned about embarrassing me with noise instead of asking his wife for forgiveness combined with her feeling being justly treated I see there a cultural problem.
(it would lead to nothing if I reported him to police, if SHE would not speak out as a witness)
My reason to write this post was to share my observation and my belief that this is a cultural problem, mainly justified by another interpretation than yours of the quran.
No idea why you try to put me in a position to justify my doings instead of coming up with solutions/ideas other than interpretations of overrated books.
Your observation is nothing but an attack on Islam and some 1.6 billion Muslims, if it wasn't, then why would you include a pic of the Quran in your post?. What kind of a solution were you looking for through steemit?... Just do the right thing next time and report him to the police... or is Germany a lawless country?.
I attack any idea, that spreads a totalitarian system. My observation isn't an attack, but just that: an observation And my conclusion is based on a strong correlation and tried justifications such as yours. You say this affects 1,6 billion people... great, the more people are involved, the more important it gets to speak out. Or do you believe that a wrong cause gets less immoral because of more people taking part in it?
It is funny that you keep talking about the police. This indeed would have been a possibility, still I dismiss this as a less good option compared to what I have done (especially with concerns for her and not him). What this has to do with Germany or a land being lawless, I don't really understand.
You seem to be Muslim, so tell me, do you think that Sharia Law should be implemented worldwide? Has this to do with your question about Germany possibly being "lawless"?
I do not mean to come down on islam, but why is there something in the quran that seem to suggest violence even though some people try to say it is mis-interprited like for example jihad.
Jihad is only permissable if it is in SELF DEFENCE. It is easy to quote verses in isolation and to forget about the context that the verse was revealed in... Also islam is based both on the Quran and the hadith of the Prophet (p.b.u.h). Allah (swt) says in the Quran: "Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly." Quran 60:8
Well the reality on ground says different.
That's only if you believe everything the mainstream media tells you.
Ooops. I strongly dislike the mainstream media, you can't even image. This is reality that i know not through any media. I come from Nigeria were there equal number of muslims and christians and the hatred the muslims have for the christains in the muslim dominated areas is un-imaginable. There are several cases that muslims have attack christains for flimsy reasons and killed. These are events i have witnessed, so just leave the media out of it.
@hoosain, you are not reading the book right. Jihad should be waged against the unbelievers. So don't come on here telling jihad is only self defence or jihad is the inner struggle. There are aproximate 100 verses that speak directly and or inderectly about jihad. And yes there are those that speak in defence. But as many that speak in attack.
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. The targets of violence are "those who disbelieve" - further defined in the next verse (13) as "defy and disobey Allah." Nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan to steal goods belonging to other people.
And i can continue like this for many more verses. So please stop twisting words, we have internet and can do a search.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
I don't know if you're christian or not, but I also have internet and can do a search for some bible verses.
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Deuteronomy 13:
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.
Or Numbers 31, where God commands the Israelites to attack Midian and kill all the men, all the married women and all the male children but to keep the virgin females as the spoils of war and distribute them among the soldiers. The reason offered for that barbarism? Two Midianite women had allegedly “tempted” two Israelite men to worship other gods.
Very good but that is a book that belongs to the tora, old testament. So in theory that is for practicly all the big religions. So congratz you found another evil thing in the islam, because yes the old testament is a collection that is seen as holy aswell in islam :) :D
And indeed in most holy books there are those things that make any human vomit. But to be frank in christianity people evolved above the book and whend on spirituality and not so much around the written word. Islam however is stuck in there political narcisitic ways of conquer and destabalizing the world. Groups like ISIS - AL-Quaida - Boko Haram have one thing incommen, yes indeed islam. They are the radicals of the radicals.
Numbers from all the great inteligence communities speak of 25-30% of muslims agreeing with there ways. That alone should be a flag for the leaders of islam to alter there ways - but they don't.
Woman are a commodoty in the islam world. In the most holy place of islam the woman can't even drive a car. They have no rights and are abused whenever a man likes it. If the woman does not have 3 witnesses she can get stoned for even speaking about it. And those are all facts about islam. I could continue but i guess you wil start hating me for speaking the truth!
Yes, that is correct, the beating remains and only some progressive try to translate it as leave. According to Prophets last sermon: " Fear Allah concerning women! Verily you have taken them on the security of Allah, and intercourse with them has been made lawful unto you by words of Allah. You too have right over them, and that they should not allow anyone to sit on your bed whom you do not like. But if they do that, you can chastise them but not severely. Their rights upon you are that you should provide them with food and clothing in a fitting manner."
This is the interpretation from the prophet not normal scholars. I do agree that the verse supports beating if the women is having affairs with other women. But your post is entirely right wing propaganda. You are mixing up Islam with Afghan culture which was shaped by massive propaganda efforts from the US intelligence.
The US has been quite busy over the last years then:
I am not a big fan of US foreign policies but you sir, are brainwashed in many ways, mixing up cause and effect by massive propaganda efforts from the imams unintelligence...
Find peace in your delusion, I don't care, as long as you don't hurt other people (this begins btw with mutilating genitalia). I don't care in which book it is written Bible, Tora, Quran I don't care which barbaric sect you belong to, as long as people are free to leave. You can bite off your own penis it you interpret that in your gory book, I don't care. But hands off others.
If this is right wing... well then I probably am and you are lost in interpretation.
What is the point of the image? The Niqab is worn by mainly in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, both western allies.
You aren't rebuking my argument nor presenting any counter argument but an emotional vague response.
Not exactly right wing cause right wing politics in the west is pretty much shaped by Zionist Jews in the west. The Shapiro you quoted is also a Jew. They want to turn the west and the east against each other to advance their political interests.
I make no argument with you, so no debunking needed. No interest talking about islamic semantics. As I see muslims killing each other over these semantics for centuries, no US involved there.
I don't say that there are no good people in islam. Probably most of them are. You seem not to be able to make a difference between group and individual behaviour, looking for someone "to blame" and finding it in "the jews" or "the CIA". This is very poor thinking, but again very characteristic for people living in sects: Everybody else is to blame.
Shapiro is a guy presenting actual numbers and facts based on (real) science and logic. If I would meet him once, I still would confront him on circumcision and how he thinks about that. Evil is evil, no matter if done by Obama (throwing 10000 bombs on the middle east), by muslims blowing themselves up, hitting their wifes and cutting away healthy body parts from their sons, by germans starting WW2 and killing millions of jews or by jews (Geroge Soros) orchestrating a mass migration to Europe.
If I see evil, I try to fight it with the means I have. I have a neighbour hitting his wife and my question was how my acting on it would be seen by others and how others would have reacted. In my opinion his acting roots in islam and my neighbour even said so.
Please leave me and my blog alone with your antisemitic talks, this I despise even more than your gory book.