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"It needs to be made clear that I'm not only talking about a place for artists to dump their files for anyone to buy like LBRY. Bandcamp is more than that."
To be fair - LBRY's real gambit is to become the backend for sites like Bandcamp, Netflix, etc. by solving the hosting problem.
Steem has better UI and community features right now, but LBRY can handle video hosting (via its bittorrent-style decentralized hosting system). Steem on the other hand is relying on YouTube for video still, which is kind of worst-case scenario
The competition / co-existence of LBRY and Steem is something I'm very interested to watch, since they're the two blockchain projects I'm most active in. I hope they'll both be able to thrive alongside each other.
Isn't Steem going to have SteemQ for videos?
Eventually I do hope SteemQ will exist. I think LBRY's built-in decentralized hosting is likely to be a lot more reliable, scalable, and robust - but I could be wrong.
Right. It could be anything; only time will tell. I don't think I have the access to LBRY yet though.
Yup it is, although the UI / UX remains to be seen. I wonder how it's going to deal with discovery and such. Youtube is great on that front..
I guess features like discovery wouldn't be a difficult task once the product is in place - not comparing it with YouTube. It could be implemented and made better in future versions.
I think for something grand like YouTube, we'd probably need STEEM+GOLEM type project.
Thanks for bringing the argument to light, I'll edit out and make it more of something that should be considered along with the steem solution. My intent was definitely not to put the piece of tech down as a backend solution :)
SteemQ by @furion might do the trick here :)
@kevinwong, another great idea... but I keep coming back to the question of how to effectively implement it.
We have this community; we're building a Steemit ecosystem; new apps are proposed and developed... but then we have to look at the mass adoption idea. Whether we loathe "centralization" or not... we run into the sharp edge where "decentralization" (good) runs the risk of becoming "fragmentation" (not user friendly).
Why do I say this? Well, in trying to bring people over from Farcebook, one of the main sticking points is that when you log onto FB, "everything is right there." Steemit will be a hard sell to the average web user if "logging into Steemit" requires someone to run 43 separate apps. It's just not going to fly, with the general public.
So as we consider how (and if) we're going to fit stuff on the Steemit blockchain... we also have to look at how to "launch centrally" to independently open sourced apps.
Disclaimer: I am more of a "trend observer" than a tech guru...
I'd just think of Steem as the social currency layer of the Internet. Distribution takes time, and ultimately, people will start using the apps they like, coming in from different vectors. Steemit is central enough at the moment, it attracts the early adopter types and retains them. More mainstream folks will come in once the UI / UX improves over time. Up to the community to determine the value and build to improve it. People will start paying (or investing) for different reasons :)
In sense, the "Farmer's Market" model. Steemit is the Farmer's Market; the different apps are the individual vendors at the market... which is great as long as there remains a high awareness of the core marketplace where people can discover other things.
Artists badly need to be helped financially and anything like this to help creative people earn money directly I will hugely support! Artists bring much joy to people's lives in so many ways and can work so hard with very little reward! I want to see a world where artists and creators are valued properly for the work they bring and that can only be done by moving away from the current system!
I would love to see this take off, it is good for the artists, good for the community and good for the arts in general!
For me it's great because I'd treat anyone as an artist, as long as there's a display of integrity and pursuit of fulfilment . In the end, I'm voting for what i consider to be good accounts, besides consideration of content.
you won't be surprised to hear that this theme is at the heart of the mycelia-for-music hackweekends we were doing with Imogen Heap. The Steem model adds to this conversation though in ways that I haven't thought through fully. Thanks you've made a link that wasn't there before...
Good to know Imogen Heap's looking wide into the industry, afaik they're affiliated with Ujo Music, or some ethereum based applications if I remember :) Would be interesting to see what they have to say :) mad respect to artists always pushing the boundaries of tech and trying to apply them.
That's a common misconception because Ujo were the first off the blocks to make a prototype for selling "Tiny Human" - the ethereum link was largely through our friend Vinay Gupta who properly turned Imogen on to blockchain and the idea of smart contracts for songs. afaik (though it's been a few months since we chatted) there is no formal link between mycelium and any particular chain, platform or technology.
Ah thanks for the clarification, keep us up to date if the steem model is adding anything to the conversation :)
You are onto something here. A Steem powered bandcamp-esque platform, as others have mentioned, would not only allow artists to earn from people buying their tracks, but also from upvotes and the whole "social sharing" aspect.
The biggest issue I can see currently, is that whoever builds this thing has to store the music somewhere, somehow. Shoving FLAC files or even MP3 files into the blockchain in bulk is a really good way to mess things up catastrophically in short order by hugely inflating its size...
Direct integration with bandcamp would be best I think, no need to create an alternative service, bands and artists are slow to take up new platforms and bandcamp already has a huge library of material. Also hosting files is not a problem as the chain would only need to contain direct links and maybe some metadata to the material being pointed to. @kevinwong you may be onto something here.
Yup it makes perfect sense. I do wish steemit would partner with some decent projects, but I suppose we need to get the scam out of the name :D and grow a bit, act more professional and all :) it will be a while unless we fuck up somehow. It would be great to have a real social platform where we can share and earn :) but even if this is what we are, there are still problems that need taking care of, if we didn't have any half of the earnings should be going to support projects like wikileaks and wikipedia, .. small sites and whatever producers and developers we are fans of, it would be nice to fund and develop independent projects. Imagine getting some of the sites some stable support, although things are pretty much ok, they get by on donations, or they can go google ads :| but why not steemit content :)
Yup the best is direct integration, they've done a great job on the 3 pillars of their platform too :)
can't steemit get developed as a "offshore" app, basically download it, it links to the chain, you have your wallet and account and you can get upvoted and transfer funds. All that should take is some C/C++ or some other new shit language and a internet integration with the chain.
I guess with the account issues right now and the whole lack of a big team we shouldn't be expecting and embedded player for steemit to link in other sites. Or a desktop app where we can do peerplays :D I guess EOS :D
So rather than copying everything like some unimaginative "artist" couldn't we just integrate the net with steem we for sure will win, I would like to have more people use steem and it could be just like patreon, or yt now, but instead of adds we can support with content, I'm sure that would get the "mainstream" on our side and dash and eth will have a hard time catching up.
If only there was a way, I guess stan and dan need heroes :D
https://steemit.com/bitshares/@stan/bitshares-hit-by-cat-5-miracle-of-heroic-proportions
hence EOS sidechains and different tools for different cases. oh and don't tell anyone there is soulseek :)
Centralized services that store data themselves could still implement this to their site. Maybe even Bandcamp would be interested.
I've bought lots of music from Bandcamp. I'd love to be able to pay in Steem, but if those artists were using a Steem-based platform they could be earning from votes too. From the start I've seen Steemit as a great platform for bands and other artists who struggle to make a living.
Where do you see Steem going in the future?
Is it a bubble?
I only do analysis on my blog for precious metals i dont know a whole lot about cryptos and especially the smaller ones.
I just happen to value a "social currency" very much. I've been using the currency for more than a year. It's high utility, in my opinion. It's low-barrier microtransaction and it's awesome to distribute steem to anyone by just voting. It's up to the community to build stuff and improve the value.
I heard there was a Musicoin that might be trying to do something like this? I didn't have much time to investigate. Does anyone know anything about Musicoin?
Haven't looked into musicoin.. but if it's specifically only for music, i don't think it has very good chances. I think there should be a coin for universal access like steem.. but thanks - i'll look into it. maybe they're onto something :)
The music industry is long overdue for a drastic revolution in the delivery of music and compensation of artists, which will hopefully lead to even better music available to the masses through the ability of smaller budget bands to be able to become noticed, without the need of a large corporate sponsor whose goal is money and not good music.
I love their weekly shows :D
Diana Damrau - Queen of the Night (The Magic Flute)
It could definitely use steem technology. I think this platform, as it is, is limiting their potential. Perhaps an app like zappl can be build on top and support this. I've made a similar post in the past, building an imgur-like app on top of steem.
An account on Steemit is access to free content in every sense of the word :) Gonna be interesting to see how the crowd dynamics play out here for the future of content distribution..
I am sure it will be massive once people discover the potential of Steem and I think EOS will bring everything together as some point.
Resteemed great post its a really good potential use case..
Thanks @mallorcaman :) Actually we are all artists and can already blog and give out content freely here. Some people vote for content, I'm more to voting to support accounts. But I guess the post is about different app focus that may work well..
Yeh a friend of mine has not been able to sign up now for 2 to 3 days as he has still not received a confirmation.
I think this could work, great idea! Somehow, I've never heard of bandcamp. I'll have to check it out.
Check it out! Their weekly show is awesome.. like the best.. if you're up for discovering new stuff. it's quite indie
What do you think of this,
http://museblockchain.com/
i got i here :)
https://steemit.com/graphene/@robrigo/how-to-transfer-open-muse-to-real-muse
Yeah i've got some muse :)
any nuse :D the site looks good but I'm not sure where the development is going or how far it's gotten.
The combination of Steem and this platform will be awesome, Great post
thanks @louiscpt - are you a heavy user of bandcamp as well? :)
@kevinwong no, but looking into it now :-) so much information on steem to digest I need a couple of extra hours in the day ...
I like this post...cool :)
Thanks @foxkoit :) appreciate it
It is ok :) I hope your day is ok :)
nice....your post deserve upvote and resteem...
Platform Bittunes offers a calculation with the creators of music in Bitcoins. And when buying music, every person who buys it gets micro profit. This is good for the creators of music and fans as well as managers who also take part in all processes. Unfortunately, Bittunes is only available on the Android platform. But now the team is working on Bittunes 2.0, which will be released in the web version and possibly for Apple.
https://steemit.com/music/@wattacut/i-want-to-share-ideas
http://bittunes.co.uk/
thanks for the info...
great post
deserves an upvote and resteem
Congratulations @kevinwong!
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I believe that Steemit has room for exactly that! But perhaps as an added application?
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Looking forward to see this happening. I'm on board.
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