chuckle, how unpatriotic of you @papa-pepper! going debt free and being self-sufficient runs contrary to the bigger picture of central bankers and politicians who have lowered interest rates to historic lows and printed mounds of 'worth-less' paper money and made borrowing easier than ever before so that loyal patriots will go deep in debt, spending money they can never repay in order to keep an anemic economy alive a little while longer in hopes that someone can figure out how to revive it.

shame on you - how can you sleep at night knowing you are letting the rest of us drown in debt ?