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RE: NEW Hive dApp: Hive Alive | Includes a 1st For Hive -> The UnTrending Report To Track Downvotes.

in #hivealive3 years ago

Hi,

Can you please elaborate why these Knights are downvoting?

Well, Knights tend to be appointed by some made up claim to divinity etc. lol. The major downvoters here have accumulated Hive Stake through high witness rewards over time, bidbot usage and perhaps the success of Splinterlands - among other things. So I wouldn't personally use the word 'Knight', but setting that aside... You would need to ask the downvoters why they are downvoting - but in my own case, I have not been able to get much of an answer beyond 'we disagree with you being paid rewards'.

What do they get? Atleast not money and they make some enemies on the way too.

As was explained in the post and by Kenny - downvoting returns rewards that had been designated to be paid out to certain posts, via community upvoting, back to the reward pool. This means that the reward pool is now larger than it would have been without the downvotes. Currently between 4% and 5% of the rewards that go towards paying for EVERYONE's rewards have been made available as a result of downvoting. Since Hive's capacity to issue (or downvote) rewards is based on the Hive Power that accounts have staked, those who have the most power to downvote also have the most power to upvote and direct rewards to themselves, their friends/colleagues and also sockpuppet accounts which they run to make it seem as if they aren't abusing the reward pool. This means that the bigger the downvote, the more that those doing the downvoting directly benefit financially from the downvote.

Other than that, if you look through the lists of which posts are being downvoted most often - you will see that outside of the accounts/posts which can objectively be said to be scamming and plagiarising, there is a thread of other content creators being constantly downvoted heavily. In general, these are accounts which provide political/social commentary that is anti the mainstream narrative being spun by MSM and gov via 'accredited' 'scientists' (typically heavily financially incentivised to slant their statements in a particular direction). This has mostly begun post COVID19 as far as I recall. We would need to have direct comments from the downvoters as to their thinking here - but we have seen zero from any of them in this regard. The most that I have seen is snearing, snarky comments that seem to rely on the logical fallacy of appeal to authority (and a variety of others too).

Any loss of respect and 'friendship' (from people they mostly never meet via the internet) is minimal in comparison to the gains made in profits and other agenda goals that can easily be identified from comment threads on chain (at least is 'minimal' from the perspective of certain personality types).

I remember I only downvoted few people in my life based on plagarism and they still hit my profile with downvotes whenever they remember me again or I sponsor my post for 1 day.

Yes, this is one of the main reasons why the vast majority of downvoting (value) is coming only from a very small number of large whale accounts - they aren't concerned about being counter downvoted because they can intimidate most people. Some of these people went from running bidbots that ruined the network previously and which actually led to the development of the current system of free downvotes. Did they decide to just shift away from one sociopathic behaviour to another? I am not a qualified psychologist so clearly I can't appeal to my own authority here - but by all means, analyse and think through the situation for yourself.

If you are making a plateform with your heart and soul and fighting holy knights, please also look into ways you can support them. No one is 100% wrong. Humans are right and wrong together. Give me good reasons of both sides. Covering one side is not neutral.

I have provided a neutral platform that provides insight into the blockchain data in an unedited way. Anyone doing legitimate curation without biases or political agendas can benefit from it's use.

Give me good reasons of both sides. Covering one side is not neutral.

This is a big subject and will take hours of text to cover in detail, I have already written blogs on this but will write more as time permits.

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@ura-soul verifyyourbrain don't have downvotes but still it can stop farming. Let's see how no downvote heaven results will be. If it will only decrease and decrease in value then you will notice the need of holy knights. With time and neutral research maybe you will be able to understand the value of downvotes.

The outcome of a 'no downvote' policy is determined by the willingness of people to participate in it, combined with the quality of the admin team's work and perceptions. If they do everything that's necessary to maintain ethics and to protect the rewards pool in an biased way then it can succeed imo. By having a clear moderation policy, there is at least a chance that the result will be better then existing solutions - but, yes, it's all being run by humans at the end of the day - so it's all possible! ;)