I think the problem fundamentally is Hive tries to be too much, and has no real identity
It doesn't need an identity. The decentralized nature of the platform allows for someone (like me or anyone else) to represent themselves, not the platform. So I do things my way, and some people like that, and that's all that's needed. No more, no less.
People run into problems when their main focus is to simply post content in order to collect or mine rewards, with no desire to attract and maintain interest in their work. In other words their content is just filler, not attractive, the producers often coast along collecting auto votes; hardly a sound under their work and the view counter doesn't budge.
At the same time, the platform as whole focuses too much on attracting creators, and pays no attention to attracting consumers. That's a big problem. It's something I've been talking about for years. Most recently back in January, inside this post
The reason why my work, and a few others, is always jammed with engagement, is because we don't focus on the money. We focus on creating a product that attracts consumers.
That product can be anything, and would be successful. Long form, short form, any form, doesn't matter. As long as it attracts attention. The decentralized nature means there's no need for guidelines. The platform works fine by design. It's up to the people to use it, however they see fit, but also attract consumers.
It is wasteful to simply pay people for showing up and creating content. There needs to be a push to attract consumers, and focus placed on consumer perks. Read the post.
That's the way it should be and even the one downvote would be fine, but instead one has to worry about getting "Attacked, called names, having your account ruined or forever downvoted". If you ask a question or question the rules, or stick up for someone getting targeted, suddenly you are a "spammer, scammer, milky, troll face". It's insanity really.
I love what you said, but for many users just trying to learn our new rules, it results in account death.
Folks that require guidance in social situations probably won't find trained professionals here, much like anywhere else online.
I'll admit I don't really know what Hivewatchers is up to these days. I've seen complaints, I've seen them provide the services they offer as they should, and I've also seen characters like world-travel-pro completely blow things out of proportion. So it's really difficult to know what's truly going on.
That 'account death' goes in the other direction as well. It's a bit off topic but I just had to spend four days nonstop putting the foot down and telling a lifelong pest to leave me alone once and for all. Four days straight of asking to be left alone. Otherwise my experience here sucks, removing my ability to have fun, make some money, yadda yadda yadda. Finally I say to hell with it and downvote. Boom. Instant smear post.
I bring it up though because often, due to these disputes that lead to anyone using their downvotes becoming The Big Bad Scary Monster, the community as whole is becoming disempowered. It's becoming harder and harder to stand up for yourself; police your own space.
If Hivewatchers needs to shape up or go away, that means individuals have to step up to deal with the riffraff. Dealing with it is not fun, at all.
Being polite doesn't help either. I've made the 'mistake' of downvoting pure laziness stemming mainly from curators voting blind and enabling said laziness. Tried to be polite. Offered reasons. Still got smeared...
What happens to a neighborhood when everyone stops mowing their lawns?
So yeah. Hopefully this shit gets sorted out. But who's going to sort it? LOL!
It's also important to note, they can be as polite and professional as humanly possible but will not be getting it in return. People will still be freaking out, regardless. Security at the store or bar is polite and professional. The people getting busted, are not.
I have trouble believing someone like that character up there I mentioned would have reacted differently had they been nice, gentle, offering good job buttons and sweets.
I feel it's really important to point that out. The attitudes can change, sure, but the response will not.
Even the folks taking it upon themselves to diminish instances of what they personally consider to be exploitative behavior put themselves in a position to be harassed nonstop. That includes community moderators. I can mention that particular character once again and point out threats made and intimidation tactics applied after he had been muted. These people should never have to fear running their operations how they see fit.
Decentralization is hard, sure. Regardless what system is in place, people gonna people.
I use that one character not as an insult but as a case study. That case is a prime example of what could happen when things fall apart. Something to learn from.
Yes, making threats is always wrong. :) funny we have to say it.
Yes, people getting downvoted over react and will often be mad even if it is justified.
Professionalism includes politeness, but it's way beyond that. For instance to your example.. de-escalation, fairness, consistency to name a few.
I think it's likely to get funded again, but my position is they should do a better job of defining their scope, being consistent and focus on education vs. power and yes some of those efforts will fail.
there are shitty people on the internet add money and it escalates at times, that is not unique to hive except the money factor plays a role.
These comment sections are what makes up the main component of social media. Attempting to monetize a product that doesn't belong to you is frowned upon everywhere. But if you're posting in the comments, you're not attempting to monetize, you're attempting to socialize. I don't see folks getting blasted for posting that kind of stuff in the comment section.
In my case, I had posted meme collection of funny stuff with some comments around. I would post anyway, rewards or not. Also, I think there are unlimited memes, make a collection out of them is fun to watch. I personally love to watch those posts. It's entertaining and doesn't need any brain activity for some simple laughs.
But the point was to "blacklist" me or I have to disable rewards. Would be fine but also disable Hive engine rewards. Special meme community.
That brings me to the point, as long no self vote or auto vote, people decide to vote or not.
It is a bit random and is also very different of the ruleset of all other social media sites. Even if no vote, is it spam? But RC are paid?
I like your nose.
It's not mine, I'm just borrowing it.
It doesn't need an identity. The decentralized nature of the platform allows for someone (like me or anyone else) to represent themselves, not the platform. So I do things my way, and some people like that, and that's all that's needed. No more, no less.
People run into problems when their main focus is to simply post content in order to collect or mine rewards, with no desire to attract and maintain interest in their work. In other words their content is just filler, not attractive, the producers often coast along collecting auto votes; hardly a sound under their work and the view counter doesn't budge.
At the same time, the platform as whole focuses too much on attracting creators, and pays no attention to attracting consumers. That's a big problem. It's something I've been talking about for years. Most recently back in January, inside this post
https://peakd.com/life/@nonameslefttouse/one-of-those-hive-stories
The reason why my work, and a few others, is always jammed with engagement, is because we don't focus on the money. We focus on creating a product that attracts consumers.
That product can be anything, and would be successful. Long form, short form, any form, doesn't matter. As long as it attracts attention. The decentralized nature means there's no need for guidelines. The platform works fine by design. It's up to the people to use it, however they see fit, but also attract consumers.
It is wasteful to simply pay people for showing up and creating content. There needs to be a push to attract consumers, and focus placed on consumer perks. Read the post.
It's a free to use nose image but still credits r missing. :)
I should have used a winking emoji or a #sarcasm tag tbh.
ya tags are also wrong. you r leeching the reward pool xD
bad boy xD
I have fun too, but hivewatchers hate memes. So that removes the fun of sharing funny memes i find on the internet.
Share a relevant meme here and now and watch how nothing bad happens.
That's the way it should be and even the one downvote would be fine, but instead one has to worry about getting "Attacked, called names, having your account ruined or forever downvoted". If you ask a question or question the rules, or stick up for someone getting targeted, suddenly you are a "spammer, scammer, milky, troll face". It's insanity really.
I love what you said, but for many users just trying to learn our new rules, it results in account death.
Folks that require guidance in social situations probably won't find trained professionals here, much like anywhere else online.
I'll admit I don't really know what Hivewatchers is up to these days. I've seen complaints, I've seen them provide the services they offer as they should, and I've also seen characters like world-travel-pro completely blow things out of proportion. So it's really difficult to know what's truly going on.
That 'account death' goes in the other direction as well. It's a bit off topic but I just had to spend four days nonstop putting the foot down and telling a lifelong pest to leave me alone once and for all. Four days straight of asking to be left alone. Otherwise my experience here sucks, removing my ability to have fun, make some money, yadda yadda yadda. Finally I say to hell with it and downvote. Boom. Instant smear post.
I bring it up though because often, due to these disputes that lead to anyone using their downvotes becoming The Big Bad Scary Monster, the community as whole is becoming disempowered. It's becoming harder and harder to stand up for yourself; police your own space.
If Hivewatchers needs to shape up or go away, that means individuals have to step up to deal with the riffraff. Dealing with it is not fun, at all.
Being polite doesn't help either. I've made the 'mistake' of downvoting pure laziness stemming mainly from curators voting blind and enabling said laziness. Tried to be polite. Offered reasons. Still got smeared...
What happens to a neighborhood when everyone stops mowing their lawns?
So yeah. Hopefully this shit gets sorted out. But who's going to sort it? LOL!
I hear your points as well.
My position is if it is funded, it should also be professional and have clearly posted guidelines that are published and not arbitrary.
I guess these are the growing pains of decentralization.
And yes, the account deaths certainly do go both ways, understood and acknowledged.
I agree, professionalism is a requirement.
It's also important to note, they can be as polite and professional as humanly possible but will not be getting it in return. People will still be freaking out, regardless. Security at the store or bar is polite and professional. The people getting busted, are not.
I have trouble believing someone like that character up there I mentioned would have reacted differently had they been nice, gentle, offering good job buttons and sweets.
I feel it's really important to point that out. The attitudes can change, sure, but the response will not.
Even the folks taking it upon themselves to diminish instances of what they personally consider to be exploitative behavior put themselves in a position to be harassed nonstop. That includes community moderators. I can mention that particular character once again and point out threats made and intimidation tactics applied after he had been muted. These people should never have to fear running their operations how they see fit.
Decentralization is hard, sure. Regardless what system is in place, people gonna people.
I use that one character not as an insult but as a case study. That case is a prime example of what could happen when things fall apart. Something to learn from.
Yes, making threats is always wrong. :) funny we have to say it.
Yes, people getting downvoted over react and will often be mad even if it is justified.
Professionalism includes politeness, but it's way beyond that. For instance to your example.. de-escalation, fairness, consistency to name a few.
I think it's likely to get funded again, but my position is they should do a better job of defining their scope, being consistent and focus on education vs. power and yes some of those efforts will fail.
there are shitty people on the internet add money and it escalates at times, that is not unique to hive except the money factor plays a role.
I cant meme on command.
That's how it works though. You shared a meme. Maybe you'll get paid, maybe you won't. Shouldn't matter. Still well executed.
exactly.
I don't see also a difference between a gif or a meme. I had a discussion on it with hivewatchers because both are not "original content".
But used on all social media platforms + provides IMO the most fun.
Edit: And fun = value? or not?
These comment sections are what makes up the main component of social media. Attempting to monetize a product that doesn't belong to you is frowned upon everywhere. But if you're posting in the comments, you're not attempting to monetize, you're attempting to socialize. I don't see folks getting blasted for posting that kind of stuff in the comment section.
In my case, I had posted meme collection of funny stuff with some comments around. I would post anyway, rewards or not. Also, I think there are unlimited memes, make a collection out of them is fun to watch. I personally love to watch those posts. It's entertaining and doesn't need any brain activity for some simple laughs.
But the point was to "blacklist" me or I have to disable rewards. Would be fine but also disable Hive engine rewards. Special meme community.
That brings me to the point, as long no self vote or auto vote, people decide to vote or not.
It is a bit random and is also very different of the ruleset of all other social media sites. Even if no vote, is it spam? But RC are paid?