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RE: Unoriginal Twitter Spam - @dbuzz Sending Users AWAY From Hive TO Twitter!

in #hive4 years ago

Posting things from twitter to hive does nothing beneficial for hive whatsoever. We had this before, it was called “sharetosteem” and it was a spammy shit show.

Short form content app for Hive would be cool, this ain’t it.

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How so? Posting to HIVE requires RCs, therefore requires holding some HIVE.

You can spam tweets all day with delegated RCs from account creation. This is not really a rebuttal to what I said in the slightest.

This app doesn’t require people to use hive, or add value. It copies their tweets to Hive and then directs people to twitter. It’s literally telling users to go elsewhere.. and from an seo standpoint, the content originated on twitter and its directing to that.. so it doesn’t help in that regard either.

It doesn’t bring in users, doesn’t help seo, doesn’t add engagement here.. so I guess the only benefit is it adds activity on a numbers level.. which so does a spam bot.. so I guess in that regard, spam does have a benefit and this is the same. I guess I don’t really think they a good app.

Perhaps they could focus on building an actual short form content, like they pretended this was, that would be fun and beneficial. I don’t actually think they know how to do that though, which is ok, but perhaps they should just stop saying it then.

I agree that it doesn't help with retaining users, but using HIVE is already a good step.

And for the RCs, well, delegated RCs are still delegated by someone who holds HIVE. They can't come from thin air.

Businesses/Dapps using HIVE should think only of their business and use HIVE as an extra tool. If you try to force the use of HIVE, then you are losing customers, and the blockchain won't be successful if it isn't inherently useful.

So let dapps do whatever they do, and hopefully there will be enough value for new users to join.

This app can be beneficial for Hive and Twitter users. They can make it work this way: TT to Hive and Hive to TT

PeakD allows for sharing a post to a persons twitter, facebook, or reddit blog. If the people at twitter want twit's to be tweeted to Hive they should provide that tool for their users, hive does not need to provide the tool to Twitter.

Yes, we are interested in both @mmmmkkkk311 and are looking for a way to do the former without making use of Twitter's API.

One good idea that @cryptoctopus came up with is that we can allow Twitter logins to our site, which would then lead to an account creation service for HIVE to onboard Twitter users who aren't on the blockchain yet!

that would be perfect, I suspect.

How is automatically posting tweets to Hive that direct people to twitter good for Hive?

From an SEO standpoint it actually helps Twitter. From a content standpoint, it helps twitter.

Please explain to me how this helps Hive.

Right. It will help same way as Steempress plugins helps, the only difference is that dbuzz has declined payouts for posts published from Twitter.
It will help when you post from dbuzz and publish your post automatically to Twitter. I don't have to tell you how important Twitter was in last weeks for Hive community

But they don’t offer that feature, they only offer the ability to post to twitter and it be copied to hive (where it directs you to twitter). So we can talk ideas, many have, but this is about the current features and how they do nothing beneficial for Hive in the slightest.

That feature was actually in the works @justineh after @mmmmkkkk311 mentioned that it wouldn't require the use of Twitter's API.

We have actually been very open to feedback and criticism, but after realizing that Community posts show up in people's feed, even if they are not subscribed, we took the site offline today.

So we can talk ideas

That's what I see when reading their comments, so maybe X should stop for a while downvoting and give them a chance to implement some new features

I would start from:

  • autopsting to TT
  • title setting in this format: [This is post title] This is post body
  • set post beneficiary @steem.dao (50% for posts published from TT, 25% for posts from d.buzz

They were given an opportunity, they said they would stop, then told me they aren't.

Now, they are where they are.

Is it still possible that you would accept existence of this app on Hive chain? If yes, which features would you like to see implemented first?

Yeah, if you remember I told you I would consult with my team 1st . . but after receiving a DM from @guiltyparties, I jumped the gun and said we would comply with your recommendations without consulting with my team.

When the rest of my team woke up, we discussed, and felt like a rework could possibly set us back weeks if not over a month to get it done.

So we decided to move forward, but after @nathansenn realized that Community posts ARE posted in people's feed, even if they are not subscribed (thank you @notconvinced), we took the site offline today.

I thought we were talking about the app, not downvotes. You stated the app is very beneficial, I asked how. So we have determined in its current state it’s not beneficial in the slightest, but you feel it’s shouldn’t be downvoted.

Well, downvotes literally were never discussed here but will agree that I don’t see the need to bury them but also think making accounts to spam the chain is not beneficial and those actions have led to downvotes in the past, so not really surprised they are now.

That's actually incorrect @justineh.

A lot of people loved @share2steem, me included . . it closed when @algo.coder exited due to the bear market, Powered Down the Steem it earned and sold it on the market.

We had this before, it was called “sharetosteem” and it was a spammy shit show.

What about Bitchute and LBRY?

Both are successful and they use the same model as us.

Nothing I said is incorrect and the fact that you apparently loved sharetosteem actually makes sense and why you are refusing to take feedback. So you don’t actually have an original idea, don’t know how to carry out the ideas of others and are refusing to listen to what people want. Got it... thanks for clarifying that.

Also that’s not how bitchute and lbry work in the slightest. They let actual content creators port their content and reward based on views.

Your app copy’s a tweet to hive and then links to twitter. How is that the same in the slightest?

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I agree with that and told them such.

I am actually thankful for you discussing this with me since I liked some of what you shared.

The difference is that I think we can make HIVE trend on Crypto Twitter via our Dapp and initiative, you either don't, or you don't see it as a valuable prospect.

Either way, respect @xxxxxxxxxx no harm no foul.

#FreedomOfSpeech

No harm for me. There will be harm to your project. I assure you of that.

Either way, we just work on building, and trying to add value despite your plans to wreck our project.

How will you make hive trend on crypto twitter with your app? It literally has nothing to do with that. It copies tweets, made on twitter, to Hive and then directs people to twitter.

You don’t need an app to advertise Hive on twitter.. it’s called a tag #Hive.

You don’t need an app to advertise Hive on twitter.. it’s called a tag #Hive.

In order for people to repost their Tweets to D.Buzz they were required to include the hashtag #Hive in their Tweet, or #dbuzz or $Hive.

The idea is that people on Twitter would backup their Tweets to the HIVE blockchain in exchange for using the hashtag #hive, please read our announcement post if you haven't already.

Official Launch: D.Buzz is Alive on the Hive Blockchain
https://hive.blog/hive/@dbuzz/official-launch-d-buzz-is-alive-on-the-hive-blockchain

We took the site offline due to lack of support from major stakeholders of the community. @nathansenn will contact you today via Discord once you come online.

Every time you post your opinion, people start fighting you, ain't it interesting?

I'm with you, I would love to 'hiVVe'(??) a lot and cross-post that to Twitter if it fits over there too. The other way around is somewhat unfitting most of the time.

It’s why I don’t visually take part in the community anymore: rather just work behind the scenes to help all I can while the shit posters bash me for everything. 🙂