I have been getting a lot of GOOD feedback on downvotes here lately. Where am I at on how I think about downvotes? Downvotes are primarily used to reallocate the reward pool but they are also a form of communication.

I used to believe I could build a downvote chart fairly easily. I was thinking the downvote chart would be 2D where you could see from top to bottom a list of "abuse" on HIVE. Fortunately / unfortunately (depending on how you feel), I think downvotes as a "reason" falls into more of a 3D radar chart. Really all that means is, some instances where downvotes are used are fairly straight forward and some instances are VERY complex.
Ultimately downvotes are weird, just like the potato professor above that is teaching about them. But like I said above, downvotes are a form of communication on HIVE.

Downvoting is usually not fun for most people. When people do investigations leading up to a downvote, those are usually pretty fun. But when a downvote is used, not everyone enjoys it. I would guess some people do enjoy it but I am not one of those people.
Upvotes and downvotes are inherently innocuous. I think a lot of people overreact to downvotes due to the history of how downvotes have been used. Sometimes when I downvote someone, they have a tendency to downvote me back in retaliation. I do think that is ok to some extent because downvotes are a form of communication. Not everyone will naturally get along and I think more communication is good. I do not like how some downvote situations end though, normally what could be a fairly innocuous conversation turns into something way more dramatic. This is why most people who downvote do not a leave a reason when they downvote. I think that is all ok still. I would like a world where people can get upset, say outlandish things, but eventually come back to HIVE, rectify whatever happened on chain, and be themselves.
HIVE, in a lot of ways, is the global town square where people come to express themselves and debate. We cannot delete accounts or silence people. Someone's rating can be reduced and you can mute them using a front end, but people can always post to express themselves. This is something HIVE has that no other place does, true freedom to communicate what you want. There is not freedom of rewards though. And regardless of how mad someone gets, the reward pool is not free. All stakeholders are giving up value of their stake when there is HIVE inflation. I think this is a very important part of the reward pool. The inflation component forces larger and smaller stakeholders to interact. I have had many instances where a downvote situation turned out to be positive. These people that turn downvotes into something positive tend to be very humble. I have a lot of respect for people that can end up having a positive relationship with the person they get downvoted by. Downvotes not going anywhere serious is a lot more common than most people think; it is only the loudest people that get all the attention. The people who are humble and keep their cool, usually find a way out of it.
I am not a fan of downvoting people "forever." I think most people can adjust their thought process or how they cope and get to a point where they can have a positive experience on HIVE. I think the more we relax and have a good time, the more we can really take the time to enjoy what HIVE is.

What is HIVE? Hive is a lot of things, but it is for sure NOT simple. So when you feel confused about HIVE, that is probably normal. If you feel normal about HIVE, that is probably normal too. HIVE is a confusing place but also very normal. HIVE is mostly what you make of it. I think there are a lot of reasons to be positive and negative about life. I think there are a lot of reasons to be positive and negative about time spent on HIVE.
Either way.... Don't look at the charts. Ask yourself, "what positive experience did I come to HIVE for?" Then move forward to pursue that positive experience on HIVE. Do you have to do this? No. But you can! And being happy is a lot more fun then being mad anyways. Here is to a better year in 2026. 2025 was a rough one so I think 2026 doesn't have to do much to be way better 😅
This post is not directed at anyone. It is me just expressing myself on my blog. I will continue to downvote when I think it makes sense and I am always happy to get feedback from users on chain. If I downvote you or your friend, lobby me on chain so we can have a discussion and people can learn from it. I have a positive relationship with a lot of people I have downvoted and I look forward to meeting more of these people on HIVE.
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This is a good way to talk about downvotes. As you, I do think this is needed as a feature.
I agree with you; forms of auto-downvotes, i.e., downvoting forever, are not right. I know a user who is constantly downvoted for - partially - the wrong reasons. This account is not following the rigid process to be removed from the ban list. Unfortunately, since this user is very committed to HIVE, he refuses to create a new account, he continues adding value to HIVE while being downvoted to zero reward value for the past few years for every single post he creates. With this, I try to say that the downvote feature can also be a somewhat abusive feature.
You are so right. When I mute (in a community I am admin for) and/or downvote posts (in the same community), I usually get lengthy discussions. Interestingly, these are users not reading the profile for the community, not following the 'rules' and 'guidelines' for the community. Normally, these users hardly interact. But when I mute them, or downvote them, suddenly they wake up and start to fight verbally, using all sorts of arguments why they shall not be muted and/or downvoted, stretching the rules/guidelines clearly presented in the community profile, to a point that can not be defended objectively. Some of them return with similar posts that - again - are not following community rules/guidelines, even after previous heavy debates. Humans are an interesting species, that is for sure 😆
I do think we need a website where all downvotes and mutes can be debated. Out in the open. For a user to get themselves removed from a banlist, such user needs to get into Discord. I have no problem with that, perse, but I do think any debate shall be easily viewable for anybody. Including debates that happens in other channels. Hence, it is better to have a service powered by website to create a single source of truth. Perhaps debatably downvote/mutes can also be presented to the community at large to provide a community based verdict. Something that is missing imho.
I will admit, humans are too interesting sometimes. Metaphorical chill pills are underrated.
I am not trying to be “cute” but that website could be HIVE. The discussions about downvotes seem to be unique to HIVE and are super interesting imo.
I have a problem with this. I have seen instances where people are onboarded to discord so they can dispute a HIVE downvote. This is counter intuitive and debatably counter productive. Why are we onboarding people to discord to use HIVE? (I have talked about this to HW on chain and they were respectful in response to my feedback).
I think HW should have a discord because most people prefer to handle drama in discord. HIVE is perpetual so I think it’s wise, to some extent, to try to manage this stuff in discord. That being said, if people only use HIVE and no other form of social media that should be ok!
We pay HW through the DHF which has pros and a con.
A pro is “good” stakeholders who operate in good faith, and don’t treat HW like an alien, can have good discussions with HW on their process.
A pro is people who downvote can go on vacation and HW can keep doing their thing.
A con is we pay for HW through HIVE inflation.
I have no problem with point 3 because vacations are nice.
Thanks for stopping by! I am always excited to see a new person come by and leave a comment (assuming it’s not AI spam to get upvotes). 😆
If you are talking about a different downvote list, not sure what to do about that. People who downvote get put on downvote lists by people that don’t like downvotes (seems circular and potentially perpetual 😅)
Sure and we already do this, except for HW.
On HW, agree people shall not be forced to use Discord, therefore sollely on HIVE is the way to go.
Regarding a website specific for abuse conflicts: All message on HIVE blockchain, but presented in a service that is better than posts using post frontend. All to do with UX. Sure, when posting the convo on HIVE, these can be viewed as posts and comments, but it isn't easy to find them, especially for curators who like to understand why someone gets downvoted and all that. The while dossier shall be easy to find, read and all that. Such service could also bring in community votes for disputable decisions. This could also serve as the place where people who disagree with downvotes can easily discover the users/posts to upvote to balance the downvote. Think of our law systems, they build op dossier at a central place as well, easy to view/read/react to by varies parties. Instead of leaving the dossier distributed over various policy offices and other organisations.
New person but 'old' HIVEan, and getting on age biologically 😆
After a HIVE vacation for half a year getting back into. Mostly curating, engaging and trying to find - for me - undiscovered users who do good to HIVE so I can include them in my curation and engagement.
It is an interesting idea. I don't know if centralized law systems work very well though. They tend to be corrupted.
BTW, I meant new to me on my blog LOL but I am guessing you knew that.
I am a bit intrigued about the last part of your comment. I am trying to get better a curating myself. What kinds of content do you curate based on someone being "doing good to HIVE." What are some things you look at to determine if someone is a good user?
Sorry for the segway away from downvotes but I am genuinely curios! I am fairly new to curating like I am now so I am open to other people's idea on what they do 😊
A man was walking along the beach and saw another man fishing in the surf with a bait bucket beside him. As he drew closer, he saw that the bait bucket had no lid and had live crabs inside. “Why don’t you cover your bait bucket so the crabs won’t escape?” he asked. “You don’t understand,” the fisherman replied, “If there is one crab in the bucket it would surely crawl out very quickly. However, when there are many crabs in the bucket, if one tries to crawl up the side, the others grab hold of it and pull it back down so that it will share the same fate as the rest of them.” So it is with people. If one tries to do something different, get better grades, improve herself, escape her environment, or dream big dreams, other people will try to drag her back down to share their fate. Eliminating “abuse” is not possible and shouldn’t be the goal. Even those who are attempting to “abuse” the system are still doing work. Any compensation they get for their successful attempts at abuse or collusion is at least as valuable for the purpose of distributing the currency as the make-work system employed by traditional Bitcoin mining or the collusive mining done via mining pools. All that is necessary is to ensure that abuse isn’t so rampant that it undermines the incentive to do real work in support of the community and its currency. The goal of building a community currency is to get more “crabs in the bucket.” Going to extreme measures to eliminate all abuse is like attempting to put a lid on the bucket to prevent a few crabs from escaping and comes at the expense of making it harder to add new crabs to the bucket. It is sufficient to make the walls slippery and give the other crabs sufficient power to prevent others from escaping.Hive is too simple at its core. It's a social media where u perform actions and other people can upvote or downvote u with full freedom.
When people get upvotes, they become unthankful. When they get downvoted, they think it's unfair. Code is the law of hive. Whatever the code allows are rules other stuff is just customs and culture
I think this is right. I think extreme measures are not necessary. I think how I use downvotes today works pretty well but will never be perfect so I am always adjusting. I am not god; I am just a person. If I downvote someone there is always a path forward with me. But that is just me, other users who downvote would also need to be reconciled with in a positive way.
I have seen a lot of instances where people get off blacklists. So when people freak out and do crazy stuff in reaction to a downvote they just make it worse.
This is correct!
Most of the over reactions related to downvotes is culture and norms which is reinforced by other users. People will freak out after being downvoted and then other users encourage them by saying their freakout is justified. If someone just said, "hey, downvotes are not that bad and you can probably get out of it if you relax and are humble," that would go a long way. The other problem is most people let their ego control their life and the ego will consume you if you feed it.
Agreed without reservation.
Thanks!
I think there are a couple different kinds of downvotes. I think downvoting someone who is obviously abusing the system is pretty much a given. If I know someone stole someone else's content or is plagiarizing, I have zero issue nuking them. On the flip side, downvotes over rewards are a bit more tricky. I feel like you should at least give a reason why you did it in the comments. Whether they accept that or believe that is another story. Personally, if I do something that offends someone, I'd like to fix it as long as it doesn't compromise my morals or my style. If they just don't agree with the rewards, then I might not like that, but I can accept it.
Yea I have thought about your feedback on leaving comments. I have started to do that more. That being said, I think sometimes I leave too many comments so I am going to role that back some.
In retrospect, not surprising I would overdo it on the comments front LOL
Comments are always a good thing in my opinion, as long as they are genuine.
Downvoted are 80 percent bad but one thing that should be implemented on hive is that everyone who is being Downvoted should be able to know and correct their mistakes, also when their mistakes are being corrected the Downvoter should leave the person's blog. Honestly this would encourage better content on hive.
I hope you don't see thos comment as an offence 🙏
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That doesn’t make much sense, that’s no different then saying you must give reason for upvote too, it’s just the basic function of the chain, how would we implement this? I don’t see any way that would be possible. Like a pop up happens that forces DVer to leave a comment? I just don’t see how that’s practical at all. You can’t have a system like this without downvotes, it has to function like upvote does. If we put extra steps for the most basic function it would be a mess.
On a side note, I hear ur point, it’s just impossible to force this, it can be a general agreed upon rule as a gentlemen’s agreement, but to literally force it as a chain function would be impossible. You can’t have this system without both mirroring same ease of use. Some good users might get caught up with bad actors by mistake just as some bad actors get upvotes and avoid getting punished, it’s just the nature of the design.
Yh I get your point man, lets just hope things get better even in complicated times😇
Cheers to that! Indeed complicated times!
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I think the leave a comment thing is a legacy idea that comes from the Steem days. Leaving a comment has some merit but the reality is, it doesn't usually work. I actually came across some posts that are really old on Steem where everyone is saying the same stuff.
People have been trying to figure out how to make downvotes a better user experience for a LONGTIME. I think the onus is on us as users to have a better process for managing downvote disputes on chain.
Downvotes are inherently innocuous. Just think about it, this is social media where you can upvote (like) or downvote (dislike) something. People try to blame the reward pool for people freaking out but I think that is a incorrect. The amount people get from posts right now is so small but people still freakout in the same way when rewards were high. There is no clear relationship between rewards and people's behavior after they get downvoted.
Reasonable and humble users have very productive dialogue with me on downvotes, I curate some of these people's posts because they are good stakeholders. Unreasonable people with untamed egos tend to freakout.
Is this just an opinion or do you have data to back that up?
I don't downvote people for them speaking their mind. I just focus on "abuse" and how that it is defined is heavily impacted by the feedback I get on chain from reasonable users.
I rarely downvote comments. I try to only downvote comments that try to frame a downvote as an attack because what people says matters and that belief is totally unhinged imo. I also downvote comments if the person threatens users with violence or threatens users with some form of abuse.
Im happy you actually didn't see this as an offensive comment, i started hiving 3 to four years ago, i was a Digital artist which earned me more than I expected, I used rhat money to pay my school fees and atuff to show you how much it was but on the long run Hive watcher told me I plagiarized on one of my post ao they downvoted, i freaked out as usual but they told me to clear my name i need to post for 30 days without any earnings and yeah i accepted i plagiarized after seeinbthe real artist (but i didn't plagiarize on purpose) so i served the punish and got my name cleared but even aftet that I posted and still got downvoted, went back to hive watchers and they siad they could do anything about it, it took a long while but i moved and to hide my self from who ever was downvoting me u started making gaming content and i hope to get further with it as usual😊
I think the main reason people get downvoted once and start getting downvoted by other users is because most users intuitively understand downvotes are not used enough on HIVE. But there is a lot of social pressure to not downvote so most people reserve downvotes unless someone has already been downvoted. People have a lot of weird theories about downvotes such as "80% of downvotes are bad" 😉 (If you have data to back this up I would be more open to it). If it is just an anecdotal observation that's fine but I do not usually make decisions based on anecdotes.
Either way, I am glad you are here for the right reasons and not just the rewards. I will take that into consideration when curating you because that to me is an important part of being a good stakeholder. 😊
Thanks alot🙏, saying 80% of downvotes are bad was just me saying anything 🤣
LOL I figured it was you saying something.
Getting downvoted does suck, but we can still be reasonable and get along to try to find a path forward.
Maximum respect 🫡
I honestly think your average HIVE user sees very few downvotes. Most are truly trying to express themselves, create and add value. Where you see people complaining about downvotes is regarding content an average person would consider "low effort, copypasta or something similar.
I'm glad it sounds like the drama over downvotes is subsiding and there are some positive interactions coming from it!
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Still lots of drama lol but good experiences too!
I think you are right though, the average user sees very few downvotes. Most Hivians are good folks imo!
Downvoting Drama on HIVE haven't finished yet? It is a good topic though. Let it continue!
LOL
Downvote drama seems to be the way of the chain right now 😅
I think we should strive to get to a point where it is less drama and more educational so I’ve been working towards that.
i just wonder how many seasons this drama have.. Book 2? 😁
Hopefully not a whole book but at least another chapter 😅
Atleast there are noise here on HIVE with this topic existence. If there's no buzz, it's silent.
Yea writing about downvotes is low hanging fruit because it is such an avoided topic. I think people want to talk about it though and my comments section shows that.
Me upvoting comments helps people to participate but I think that is how HIVE should be used. One reason engagement is so low on this platform (imo) is people optimize voting for rewards vs optimizing for engagement.
Increased communication on HIVE is good as it gives us an opportunity to refine our understanding of how the platform should be used.
Downvoting topic always been hot here on hive specially if the guy you downvoted took hive as one of its income. Some of these people engage here to whine because they got downvoted, but i often encounter them to other social platforms happily engaging to gossip. Lol. Ohh yeah.. gossips are another way of good conversation, might be as good topic like downvoting..😝
Atleast there are noise here on HIVE with this topic existence. If there's no buzz, it's silent.
It seems like writing about downvotes is his life mission. He can’t live without them.
Hi. Thanks for dropping by. I feel there is a bit sarcasm on your comment but i wont speak for the guy you are pointing out. The crux of those downvote problems is the button itself. You cant blame users from using those. Weather we like it or not, that downvote button is there for use or not.
Downvote for a reason is fine. But when there is a downvote on a post considering the post rewards.. How should one deal with? I came across a situation where my post on gaming content used to be downvoted and what reply I got was that the post is not that much of rewards. To it I said atleast I making an effort to write about something but then there are automated post on Hive where it just tell numbers of a token and it is getting more rewards - why aren't we downvoting that post and to my surprise there was no answer to it..
Yea that’s a good point, like if you are downvoted for “over rewarded” content you cannot adjust anything.
There should be something the user can adjust to not be downvoted in most cases.
Otherwise, we are picking winners and losers when it comes to content quality and that just doesn’t make a lot of sense.
That depends on your perspective. It doesn't make sense from the perspective of those prevented from winning, nor from the perspective of the platform itself. It is existentially necessary for those keeping their present power.
Negative votes aren't a good thing. You can't expect people to see them as positive. They feel like they're being deprived of their precious rewards.
For sure. I never expect someone who gets downvoted to be like “Thanks! This is awesome!” 🤣 If that does happen I would have some questions lol.
I just think it’s interesting how certain people handle it really well and end up turning the event into a positive experience. There are people I’ve downvoted but now I curate them regularly….Not super common but it has happened lol.
It depends on the significance of the downvote. It's not the same to lower the value of a particular post by just a few cents as it is to reset all of a week's posts to zero. It could also be the first time that person has received downvotes.
And it also depends on who casts the downvote. The person might think in extreme ways. On one hand, they might think someone just didn't like the post, without any major consequences. Or, depending on their perspective, they might think they've been killed as an author on the Hive blockchain.
There really aren't many cases when a small downvote of a few cents makes sense. Like if people get downvoted for being "over rewarded" those posts tend to have super big payout and the downvote tends to be fairly big too. (I do not downvote for over rewarded posts by the way).
I think this is true for people who have been on the platform for a longtime. But also these people tend not to freakout in the same way as newer accounts.
Either way, these are good points and I will consider them going forward. I do hope we can have a world where there is a more productive reconciliation process for the average person that gets downvoted.
Its such a coincidence that you should write this after our in depth conversation about the same subject. Very strange indeed. 😉
Has nothing to do with you, I was witness to the interaction that sparked this, it was a spam account who wished death on and made threats of violence against multiple hive accounts.
@karenb54 thanks for stopping by my blog. I did leave a section at the bottom saying this blog post is not directed at anyone.
Unfortunately gene this was not directed at that person either 🤣
The emotional abuse that people go though, on this platform from other users who don't like downvotes, is a big problem and hopefully more people will stand against it vs encouraging the person doing the emotional abuse.
I don’t pitty u at all my brother!
It’s crazy these individuals do full on post with images putting ur name trying to shame you. If they just were calm & took a few days to calm down you’d of likely given good advice and a road back to how to fix issue, but instead it’s non stop spazzing out and going crazy! Just unbelievable how many people react this way & just claim to know everything!
Well if you look at her posts, she did get encouraged to ramp up the temperature by other users (not including the blurt shills).
I don't think her getting a bunch of massive upvotes on a burn post helped cause it seemed to validate whatever she was thinking.
I would guess that the massive upvote burn post is just an auto upvote thing that happened because she has an older account that gets auto upvotes by accounts from the Steem days.
I recognize I’m not calling anything out and most Hivians know that’s what happened with her big burn post.
I’m mostly calling it out in case she reads this thread 😅
I strongly agree that situations that end well usually share one thing, humility. People who stay calm and talk things through tend to come out better than those who turn every downvote into a personal war.
And, the idea that downvotes are not punishment but redistribution and communication really stands out. Once you understand the reward pool isn’t infinite, the whole conversation shifts. Many conflicts start when freedom of expression is confused with an automatic right to rewards.
This is an amazing quote. Well said!
My last post was about debates on Hive. Actually, the lack of them. In our Spanish-speaking community, there is no debate; all the comments on posts are compliments. This is due more to the downvote than to being included in lists that stop you from voting.
In the Spanish-speaking community, there is not much voting power, but there are many curators of large projects. People are afraid of being disliked.
This dates back to 2017 when the #spanish tag was created and the only project that voted in Spanish banned topics related to politics, religion, and controversy.
I will admit that debating freely is not a universal concept. I did include the come to express themselves piece for that reason.
I can appreciate that in many countries debating openly can be dangerous.
I am not surprised this goes back so far. It does seem like users who have been here the longest tend to have really strong opinions about downvotes where as newer users don't really understand what the big deal is. I have heard stories of "downvote wars" and those days seemed to have left its mark on a lot of people.
Reallocation & Communication would be a good slogan for downvotes.
I'd say the only reason downvotes get so much discussion on HIVE is because something monetary is involved. I doubt most people care as much about the dislike/downvote button on other social media sites (insta/facebook/reddit).
We should patent the slogan 😆
I used to think it was the money but now I think it is mostly of a culture thing like dlmmqb said in his comment.
Like if you compare how people react now, compared to how people reacted when it was a way more money, reactions are exactly the same if not worse.
When I first started here on the platform, my initial perception of downvoting was that it was used to express disagreement with the subject of a post, which to a certain extent I think is valid as long as it is expressed with due respect and good communication, which would lead to interaction through messages. Seeing how this negative vote influenced rewards, many were afraid of it, although I think that if you are doing things right, you have no reason to be concerned. Obviously, I support the use of downvotes when some people try to plagiarize or recycle information, as this is something that directly undermines our platform. Therefore, I do not see downvotes as something negative, but rather as a tool that must be used wisely.
I think that was the intent.
I do leave comments when I downvote but it is rarely productive. I think if we onboarded people with the expectation they MAY get rewards after the payout period but it is not guaranteed until the post is paid out that would reduce a lot of the over reaction.
You are right that downvotes are a tool. It is literally a part of the protocol... but some users act like it is a magic button or something lol.
More people have started to use downvotes which is encouraging. More people using downvotes helps decentralize that function. That being said, I do not recommend people downvote either cause it gets weird sometimes. I get retaliatory downvotes a lot and that is not fun even if you are a whale. 😅
Please, be kind 😂
What's funny is, usually the users who do the retaliatory downvotes say people should leave a reason for their downvotes.
I've never had someone who does a retaliatory downvote leave a reason for their downvote... Seems inconsistent 😆
That's right. I once heard about someone who received a downvote from another well-known user, and after asking them why (not in the post but through other means), this person said they had pressed the wrong button 🫣 It was funny and strange at the same time, but both parties took it as a simple mistake 👍
That's happened to me before. Usually the person who accidently downvoted me makes up for it and changes it into an upvote. Guessing me downvoting back would not have the same outcome so it is good to ask first before jumping to conclusions 🤣
And that business of exchanging downvotes isn't the best way to put it 🤭
Downvoting over spam, plagiarism, etc, is good. Marky handles that well. God help us when he finally stops doing it.
I'm less convinced about other downvotes. I see "over-rewarded" given as a reason a lot. But that's a very subjective rating.
I've seen pretty much all these situations in my time here. I think one of the reasons people get so offended by downvotes in this "adjusting the rewards" category is because there is no standard. It's all arbitrary and undefined. So they look at how the post that they worked at for hours is downvoted — they feel emotionally hurt but also they look around and see that meanwhile an orca throws up a youtube link and gets $50 in autovotes, and they see hypocrisy and what very much looks like cronyism and feel unfairly attacked. The emotion of feeling hurt combined with seeing what looks like cronyism and they get angry and either leave Hive, start downvoting back in anger, or start ranting about the unfairness of it.
I am not against auto upvotes. (1) we cannot stop it. (2) I think when people have been here a longtime and they get outsized rewards that makes sense as long as they have a "good" blog with engagement.
I think one reason people see things as cronyism is because when people are onboarded they are not explained the platform well.
People MAY get paid to post but they are not guaranteed to get rewards on post.
How people get their HIVE matters. "Good" stakeholders get outsized rewards. "Bad" stakeholders either need a whale friend or they tend to get very small votes.
Even if someone has an "amazing" blog, if they are not a good stakeholder I am less likely to upvote them. If someone gets the benefit of large auto upvotes and they sell the majority of their rewards, this is bad for onboarding new users because it is confusing.
I think a lot of your points are valid and just helps bring to light how nuanced downvotes are. People who have simple explanations of downvotes tend to be ignorant (I do not mean ignorant in a bad way).
I think downvoting for "over rewarded" posts does not make a lot of sense. I don't do it. I think the only time it makes sense to downvote for overrewarded posts is when a post is getting massive rewards because curators are pilling in for max rewards vs reading the post and engaging with the users on their blog.
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