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RE: The Hivewatchers & Spaminator Operational Proposal for the Period 2022-2024

in #hive2 years ago

Understaffed. Outdated. And honestly probably cost more than the supposed "abuse" they counter. They do not have consistency regarding equal treatment of users of various wallet sizes (look at how Bernie and Transisto used to get away with everything).

They do not receive criticism well as demonstrated by their dismissive attitude of branding them "trolls" when someone disagrees with their operation.

This service results from people hanging onto long-form content and unwillingness to be an active part of their own communities when it comes to curation and anti-abuse activities.

All the proceeds you give to this group will eventually become private assets when a shift in management or rebranding occurs like the old Steemcleaners accounts.

As Hive moves on to bring power and moderation back to each individual community, this archaic service becomes a stumbling block to its progress.

There was a point when this is a necessity, but any reasonable person understood this to be a temporary measure in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunately, like many "government-like temporary programs", they become entrenched in an ever-inefficient, ineffective, and unwanted part of everyone's lives.

0/10 would recommend.

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Hivewatchers has been instrumental in the "no fun allowed" attitude on Hive. I'm not sure what the solution is to fix this, but long form sourced content is antithetical to social media fun.

I think the problem fundamentally is Hive tries to be too much, and has no real identity, so it's a mediocre blogging site, a shit social media site, and honestly the reward pool just makes everyone fight all the time.

I think the problem fundamentally is Hive tries to be too much, and has no real identity, so it's a mediocre blogging site, a shit social media site

It's the influence of narrow minded, authority-worshipping fools like Hivewatchers' employee-of-forever (until he gets fired) that reinforces crap like that, and one of the principle reasons I am speaking out against funding Hivewatchers. This is my stake talking, I wouldn't bother if I just disliked him.

I still have fun.

Impossible, there is no fun allowed.

I like your nose.

It's not mine, I'm just borrowing it.

I think the problem fundamentally is Hive tries to be too much, and has no real identity

It doesn't need an identity. The decentralized nature of the platform allows for someone (like me or anyone else) to represent themselves, not the platform. So I do things my way, and some people like that, and that's all that's needed. No more, no less.

People run into problems when their main focus is to simply post content in order to collect or mine rewards, with no desire to attract and maintain interest in their work. In other words their content is just filler, not attractive, the producers often coast along collecting auto votes; hardly a sound under their work and the view counter doesn't budge.

At the same time, the platform as whole focuses too much on attracting creators, and pays no attention to attracting consumers. That's a big problem. It's something I've been talking about for years. Most recently back in January, inside this post

https://peakd.com/life/@nonameslefttouse/one-of-those-hive-stories

The reason why my work, and a few others, is always jammed with engagement, is because we don't focus on the money. We focus on creating a product that attracts consumers.

That product can be anything, and would be successful. Long form, short form, any form, doesn't matter. As long as it attracts attention. The decentralized nature means there's no need for guidelines. The platform works fine by design. It's up to the people to use it, however they see fit, but also attract consumers.

It is wasteful to simply pay people for showing up and creating content. There needs to be a push to attract consumers, and focus placed on consumer perks. Read the post.

"It's not mine, I'm just borrowing it."
Did you give accreditation and source link for that nose?

It's a free to use nose image but still credits r missing. :)

I have fun too, but hivewatchers hate memes. So that removes the fun of sharing funny memes i find on the internet.

Share a relevant meme here and now and watch how nothing bad happens.

That's the way it should be and even the one downvote would be fine, but instead one has to worry about getting "Attacked, called names, having your account ruined or forever downvoted". If you ask a question or question the rules, or stick up for someone getting targeted, suddenly you are a "spammer, scammer, milky, troll face". It's insanity really.

I love what you said, but for many users just trying to learn our new rules, it results in account death.

Folks that require guidance in social situations probably won't find trained professionals here, much like anywhere else online.

I'll admit I don't really know what Hivewatchers is up to these days. I've seen complaints, I've seen them provide the services they offer as they should, and I've also seen characters like world-travel-pro completely blow things out of proportion. So it's really difficult to know what's truly going on.

That 'account death' goes in the other direction as well. It's a bit off topic but I just had to spend four days nonstop putting the foot down and telling a lifelong pest to leave me alone once and for all. Four days straight of asking to be left alone. Otherwise my experience here sucks, removing my ability to have fun, make some money, yadda yadda yadda. Finally I say to hell with it and downvote. Boom. Instant smear post.

I bring it up though because often, due to these disputes that lead to anyone using their downvotes becoming The Big Bad Scary Monster, the community as whole is becoming disempowered. It's becoming harder and harder to stand up for yourself; police your own space.

If Hivewatchers needs to shape up or go away, that means individuals have to step up to deal with the riffraff. Dealing with it is not fun, at all.

Being polite doesn't help either. I've made the 'mistake' of downvoting pure laziness stemming mainly from curators voting blind and enabling said laziness. Tried to be polite. Offered reasons. Still got smeared...

What happens to a neighborhood when everyone stops mowing their lawns?

So yeah. Hopefully this shit gets sorted out. But who's going to sort it? LOL!

I cant meme on command.

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That's how it works though. You shared a meme. Maybe you'll get paid, maybe you won't. Shouldn't matter. Still well executed.

I blame the reward pool as well.