Not sure if it's the platform or the people

in #hive10 months ago

There's this thing I've noticed regarding hivers over the years, where if they're doing alright then there's no complaints, aside from complaining about how Hive could be doing better compared to other coins out there. Then when something happens, and 99% of the time it's not due to malicious downvotes or any other reason than their own fault usually which means they're not able to earn from post rewards the ways they've been before - they turn against Hive in an instant.

It's kind of weird, like I don't really understand it. I'm sure there's many other users here on Hive who might feel the same way, a majority even I'd say, but I've still have seen it happen more times than I can count. Here's a few examples as of late.

There was this one user who always complained about not being curated "enough", i.e. not making as much post rewards as he would have liked or felt he should. This is of course a subjective thing but I realize it's something quite unique to most people, how they perceive this in their minds. Certain actions on Hive may not mean much to you and me but to others it may build this sense of "debt" they believe the platform owes them.

"I've been here since 20XX, I should be rewarded more."
"I've been active daily posting and commenting, I should be rewarded more."
"I haven't powered down any stake, I should be rewarded more."

things like that. To me personally when I noticed the complaining, which was hard not to cause they did it on my posts, I checked out their account and the user was correct in that he was posting daily but most of his comments were always replies on his own posts. For some reason they also never curated the comment section which felt weird to me. We have this awesome ability here to reward your followers with some votes for having taken the time to consume and engage on our content but we're just going to leave a similar message saying "thanks" to all of them and not upvote? It's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot for no reason, imo. I don't personally listen to the people who say "you're just voting up comments to "bribe" them to come back to your posts or to get them to curate theirs. Dude, that's one of Hive's advantages, with stake you've either bought or earned you can buy attention, now if you curate shitty comments from people who obviously haven't read the post and are just coming in for their daily 0.1 hive then it might be your fault for not curating properly but don't try and use proper curation against someone as a way to "buy attention" cause the attention economy is one of Hive's main strengths but it's more important on how you use that stake.

Either way, the user was making maybe $3-5 per post and receiving a few comments here and there so I felt it wasn't really worth more upvotes because the content didn't really stand out to me as anything exceptional and I wasn't too happy with some other things I noticed aside from the things I mentioned above. He was following A LOT of accounts, like so many that it felt like he was going for the indirect "follow 4 follow" tactic where people either spam or automate the following action to active accounts in hopes to get them to follow you back when they notice the notification. This is also something I've really been against since I joined this chain. Sure the people I follow right now on my personal account aren't perfectly suited to my interests and people I'd follow on other socials but that's cause I view my activity here for now not just personal but to follow those I believe bring value to the platform even if their niche isn't of my interest particularly.

Over time when I went back to check on this user now and then there was always something fishy about it, some times I couldn't tell but it felt a bit like the posts lacked personality, opinions, etc. I didn't make much of it but another thing I noticed was the increase in these comment command token activities. From the outside his posts seemed to be receiving a lot more comments but when you opened the post up you'd notice that 80-90% of the comments were these automated tribe tokens along with some real users just spamming the commands over and over without even bothering to leave a genuine comment along with them and the author copying the others.

Either way, the reason I'm posting this is because I noticed they had done a "I'm leaving" post recently which was most likely due to hivewatchers starting to downvote the account so I figured at some point he had been caught reposting or plagiarising or something of the likes which would've made sense with my intuition of there being something fishy with the account and I was kind of glad I hadn't rewarded the account more because if that was the case then it would've just meant more stake going down the drain that could've rather been used on other accounts. I was curious to find out what exactly had gotten him on the HW list, though, but the crazy thing was that his posts were so filled with automated tribe bot comments giving out some tokens that I could literally not find the comment placed by hivewatchers. It's as if he was using these bot commands to either hide something since they've been going on in forever or just farming these tokens to the max making his comment section quite literally unreadable unless you enjoy digging through hundreds of comments to find a couple genuine ones. Not really sure but needless to say it hadn't helped his curation complaints he was going on about earlier because activity like that shouldn't be encouraged. I guess eventually he had given up on earning more per post and had settled with the autovotes he was getting and trying to maximize on the tribe tokens even if they barely are worth anything removing any chance of getting curated more in the future. Now I don't know with this case because as I said, I literally couldn't find the HW comment, but I'm guessing this need to get the most out of the automated upvotes got him to become lazier over time to start reposting/plagiarising/something requiring of close to no effort while still getting rewarded.

It's weird that some of these people don't just make due with all the Hive they've earned over the years to just sit idle and enjoy the curation rewards when they have nothing new to post or are feeling tired/writer's blocked.

Now I can't talk for this case, but often what I've seen similar users in this situation is that instead of admitting to their mistakes and how things went wrong they instantly go for the offensive. Start talking how everything's wrong with HW then move on to talk bad about Hive as a platform, then the community, etc. Very few own up to their mistakes and just ask the community for another chance, which it often may give because we all want to succeed together. It's also weird that so many of them have earned more here than they would ever on other platforms but this block in receiving another $3-5 rewards daily means they forget everything they've earned so far and go on a tirade on other socials to try and bring Hive down while they're powering down $1000 per week to sell.

It's this weird mentality where "if I can't have it as good as them then I'm going against them", similarly I've also noticed some who are like "haha it took you this long to figure it out, thanks for the money" and others who try to make stakeholders here feel bad. This "me vs them" mentality where they go "lol you've held onto hive while I sold mine and bought this and that at the top, lol loser" all the while they were complaining just a few weeks ago how they should be rewarded more. Similarly over the years it's weird to me how many people this chain has helped financially and many must've done well over the years in other coins and projects, close to none of them come back "to their roots" to at least be grateful for their starting journey and what this chain introduced them to. It's like they use the chain as a stepping stone to do better for themselves then don't really care about it. I don't know about you but I'd kind of feel bad if I were to behave like that. I'd be a disappointed in myself.

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Alright this post got a little too long already so maybe there's no more room for examples but it's something I've also noticed with some curation positions in my curation project. When you invite them over and give them a chance it's all fun and games but when the time comes you have to remove them from the position of "power" and "rewards" then everything changes. Even when we have good reason to do so, such as lack of activity in the field they were invited for, they find any reason to go on the offensive on you, the project or some parts of Hive rather than looking inwards and wondering if they could've done better. It's like they take it personally even though we've made it quite clear that there's many people deciding on this in the project to remove leeway for personal opinions and judgements. Instead of being grateful for the time and attention and value they were receiving and being able to give to their community/users they're just unhappy and against you for the rest of time because it got taken away.

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To me, I’ve always tried to simplify things down to a basic equation. Content + Networking + Time = Success here.

The first objective is content. Write some stuff and challenge yourself to see what works, resonates and feels good…just like business.

The second, and I saw it as the most important thing to focus on here, is networking. Find the builders. Find the helpers and those who are looking for the people who will drive the right culture. Kinda like in business.

Then there is time. This really is just patience and having the discipline to be consistent for longer than it takes to succeed. Kinda like in business as well.

When it comes to rewards, I would be lying if I didn’t measure that as well. Not the only measurement but a good barometer as to how I am doing with the equation. Been here a while and the content is good but not the rewards one might expect? Time to work on that networking. It is nobody’s fault but my own if I am amazing and people don’t know about me because I haven’t invested the time to appear on their radar.

Now I do see the scariness of getting on one of those downvote trails because I have seen people correct their problem and address the issue only to be unable to get out of the bad graces from some ghost who won’t communicate back. Luckily I have decided to play nice and haven’t been hit by that much over the years.

In the end, I think it comes down to entitlement which is often the mask of impatience. People are just gonna peep and have their own baggage which generally shows itself after while. Maybe it is a business sense that is lacking or a generation unlike mine who was told “shut up. Nobody cares. Work harder”

Culture is a tough thing to build, a constructive one at least. The more attention you get in anything, the same percentage of haters are going to be there but the number grows with your audience. In your position of seniority, leadership and fame, I can only imagine the tantrums you have seen, and potentially contributed to.

You gotta break eggs to make and omelette. People gonna peep and some won’t see the value in my simple equation and would rather butch than come up with a functional one of their own.

Like google business reviews, I would remain magnanimous and focus on the constructive people. The builders and the ones you would like to see as the next get reaction of leaders. Not the ones who want success and rewards without the work and responsibility.

People are going to fall into the wet cement that makes for the foundation of this place and never be seen again. I will tip a glass for them as an important part of the structure and build.

I wanted to reply to Acidyo's comment but as it is my manner I had to read through the comments and you've said most of the things that I would have loved to contribute towards.

Feeling entitled is just the beginning of falling for any individual and until they know that, it would be hard for them to know peace.

Like you rightly said, if people don't notice us on the blockchain, it only means that we are not doing something right and we just have to think of a way to get the attention that we feel we deserve. People are watching and that's why giving out best at all time is one rule that I'm learning to follow, whether or not I get the support.

And as they say, nothing good comes easy, we always have to put out our best foot forward all the time and not some because we don't know when the right person would come by to appreciate what we've created.

Thank you so much for those other advise in between, I've learnt something more today to help me keep doing my best ❤️

The common nature of humans is saying sweet words when the situation is in favor but when the opposite thing happens they start to spread negativity. They highlight what's happening with them but they don't share why it's happening with time. Naturally, nobody wants to accept their own mistakes in front of everyone.

In the case of reward, I always expect less and I think whatever I am getting here is ok and I think there are no other platforms which can give me more than this platform. At least I feel I am not wasting my time here. If I receive more rewards, then it makes me happy but if I get very few then, I need to improve my post quality and I hope in the future it will increase.

Since I joined here, I have known that engagement is the key and it's the thing that helps to stay connected with other authors. Just engaging in our own posts is not enough in my opinion.

In the case of following and unfollowing, I hardly unfollow others thinking that it may demotivate the authors. But I have a list of favorite authors and I visit their posts almost every day.

In the case of upvoting comments, I still don't do this thinking that my little value doesn't create any significant value. That kind of thing was set in my mind from the beginning time. But after reading your post I just realized that my vote value creates a little influence as my vote value increased for the last time. So from now, I decided to upvote in comments also for the encouragement even if the value is little. Thank you for making me realize about it.

If you can't get comments to at least 0.02$ in rewards it's best to just cast small votes like 1% just for visuals and acknowledgement. Because you could use your bigger votes on posts rather and get at least .001 hive in curation rewards that way. That 0.02$ threshold may lead to you just wasting the voting mana and getting nothing in return which may mean you don't grow as fast.

Thank you for enlighten me.🙂.
I understood.

I guess it's a human reaction based upon a couple of elements.

I have plenty of examples of people, friends / family / colleagues who can't admit when they are wrong. It could be about something small or a rather important decision which was made. No, they go offensive and try to find arguments, why their bad decision was effectively good. Do I do this as well? I try to admit when I am wrong. Although, I'll usually share my perspective as why I took a certain decision. But I am a person who can say: I was wrong. For me it's rather a positive element than all these people who never make bad decisions... Although, I still have to grow further on it.

Being happy with what you have, it's a theme which is bespoken an infinite times. Everyone agrees that it's important. Though only a smaller amount of people really believe it when they make such a statement. This is definitely something I live according to 100%. I am quite lucky, was able to study, got a good job, got friends, got hobbies, plenty of possibilities, etc. Maybe it's easier to say in such a situation: I AM happy with what I got. That could definitely be true. Although I believe it's merely about perspective. It's something typical human, always being jealous about things you don't have. By chanche, I saw this cartoon today. Guess it describes it well:

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About the 'time-element', is it now worse than in the past?
I don't know about Hive in particular, in general life, I would say it's something of all times. Ancient Rome wasn't happy with their empire neither. They wanted it bigger and bigger..

I guess people should think about above mentioned 'principles' and there are plenty others influencing the behavior as well. If I compare myself to you, I definitely receive less upvotes but that's more than logically. You are on the platform way longer than I am. You are way more active as well and you actually build projects. It's more than normal in my opinion that you receive higher upvotes. Instead of complaining, people should use that time to improve their Hive 'strategy'...

Didn't want to pollute your article with such a long comment, but I guess it's the beauty of Hive that we can engage this way! :D
Ps: Great write-up, tackling a hot topic of all times!

Completely agree with this publication, because I have seen it. Many users are always complaining. Some because they do, some because they don't and some just in case. People tend to see the glass half empty, they are not grateful with what they have.

I think that everything adds up, from the smallest thing.

On the other hand, the fact that we invest time and effort in creating a pleasant content for everyone and of quality, the truth is that not everyone likes the same and what for some is a great content, for others, it is just another post.

I think we should be grateful with what we receive, because, heck, it's more than what we could receive on any other platform. There will be times when it will be great and times when it will be not so great.

I once saw, a few years ago, a very simple post with someone who wrote a post to ask for money.... Really? He said he was unemployed and had two kids to support, that he needed his posts to be rewarded because he had to support his family.

Tough face or as we say in my country " face of a board". Many users told him "poor thing", others, like me, answered him with a lot of respect, that what he had to do was to write, create content, with good images, if possible, his own. That there were too many topics he could talk about, but that he should not start asking for handouts, because that only spoke very badly of him as a person.

And that writing a post saying "I'm leaving", is a kind of threat to see if they respond "Oh, no please.... Stay, don't go! From now on, we will reward all your posts, but don't leave us." Oh, for God's sake, kid, get yourself situated, if you want to leave, the doors are open. There are a lot of people on Hive and more and more users will keep coming and sometimes your content will look good to the curators and sometimes it won't. No one is obligated to reward something they don't like, that looks plain to them, no matter how much the content creator, thinks their post is great. It all depends on tastes and colors.

It had to be said.

That's true. Many times are the people that make a mess out of great projects.
Avidity and other low level attitudes are what brings great projects down. Besides, curation is a great opportunity to give value to deserving authors and therefore, if I may candidate myself, I would be glad to support!

I don't dare respond to your article on the subject given the number of comments on it. I do it anyway. We are in a society where everything is due. When you look at Hive from afar, you might think that there is a way to make easy money behind your computer. Big error of judgment for those who think that's how it happens on Hive! Usually, these individuals apply their method in everyday life and, for some, make money on the backs of others. When he tries to apply the technique to Hive, he tries to keep them calm for a moment but he remains stronger than them so he has to go faster and effortlessly. I can understand that seeing other Hive users benefit from excellent curation and almost every post, regardless of the time between each partition, can be disappointing to those watching it. But if someone gained a lot of curation over a relatively short period of time, what did they do to achieve it? I will answer this question! He worked hard for months or even years to provide better quality content over time. Lots of quality work!!! In principle the lazy person will force himself to work a little bit, for a certain time, this time will be more or less long depending on the person, then he will start to get impatient thinking that since he has to work (for once in his life life) he must be rewarded! But Hive doesn't have that! You have to work a lot and above all know how to appreciate the work of others. If you're not really looking and are only voting in the hopes of getting a lot of Hive, the individual is wasting their time here. What I like about Hive is that everyone is on the same page and only hard work pays off. Another little thing is also knowing how to give your time. @acidyo you helped me almost 3 years ago when I discovered Hive and made a big mistake. Recently I came across your articles and remembered you who helped me via discord to solve my problem. Today I admit to being more comfortable with Hive but at the beginning it was very difficult to understand its mechanisms. This help you have given me and the help you have had to give to others allows you to occupy this position within Hive today. Thanks again.

I think perhaps we're attracting computer people; who are looking for the formula to type in, to pull out money.
They don't really internalise that they're dealing with the minds of others who have their own ideas and preferences, and vision for the future of the chain.
They love blockchain and mining, and hear they can come here to do it with the power of their mind, (imagine Sheldon from Big Bang); then just wind up having to appeal to people again, like in the real world. Ugh. #toohardbasket

It's also the rough markets and long bear markets I think, some times when I'm reading comments on reddit it feels like it's completely different kind of more "normal" people (no offense to people here) and I keep wondering what it'd be like to have more people here if some of the "craziness" would be toned out.

Gratitude and self-criticism are rare qualities in any area or aspect of life, and both of these qualities require continuous training and work on oneself.

I have made mistakes many times in my life and have often apologized when I realized I was wrong, and each time I apologized I felt stronger because it meant that I had learned from my mistake but more importantly it meant that I cared about that activity or person.

The same is true on Hive that even though it is a blockchain project and not real life it still has a very important aspect to take care of which is interaction just like in real life.

Those who make mistakes and apologize and restart show that they have medium- to long-term goals on Hive = they care about Hive
Those who make mistakes but want "a full barrel and a drunk wife" will always do a complete withdrawal, say Hive sucks, and disappear.

In the community of which I am a moderator there have been 4 cases where Hive watchers intervened and in all 4 cases the users had tried to be wrong. Only one user apologized and restarted and is now a great Hiver = he realized the mistake and cares about Hive.
The other three disappeared but all three had one thing in common: they often complained that they did not receive rewards and never or almost never interacted outside of their posts.

When I tried to advise them instead of appreciating that I was devoting time to help them they even got annoyed when I advised them to interact more...

It is always easier to point the finger at others than at oneself

Nobody is perfect, I am not perfect and Hive is not perfect but it is the best web 3.0 place to be in my opinion.
When I hear someone talking bad about Hive I always ask them to recommend another platform that offers the same things as Hive or is better...but of course I never get a good answer ;)
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@tipu curate

Hello, I'm newbie to Hives for almost 2 months and I write quite often on this platform, although not every day. I feel like I'm happy to be at Hives because I really like writing and this is a place that makes me comfortable to share all the stories of my life and whatever I feel, whether it's happy or sad. I have never been this honest in telling stories on social media or platforms. Apart from Hives, I think everything is just fake. That's the truth and I'm not exaggerating. It's sincere. I can spend my time through my hobby of writing, especially when I get rewards. That's a bonus for me. I wrote and made it a work and I felt appreciated.

However, to be honest, sometimes I feel a little disappointed because not all of my writing is noticed by people or appreciated through votes. I think my written work may not be that perfect, but I also want to be noticed, at least read and given comments from readers, it is already extraordinary. I once wrote poetry and it didn't seem to get noticed and I thought whether my poetry was bad, I don't know. may be. Sometimes I've taken my time and tried my best as best as possible, but yes, sometimes no one notices and of course I feel like I've stopped for a moment, like wondering why… is there something wrong with the post? Or what? Sometimes like my efforts are useless or in vain.

Sometimes I also feel like I'm hopeless and think instead of writing in vain, I should just quit this community. But, inside me said, NO. I have to continue because writing is like my soul and writing has become my enjoyable hobby.

Thanks for the post so that I can be honest to share my thoughts :)

I'd suggest commenting more and looking for people who share your interests, for instance you could search for users who also do poetry, consume some of their posts and leave them your thoughts. Some may ignore you, some others won't, they may follow you back and reply to your poetry as well which may give you some votes and get you in the sights of bigger users or curators/curation projects. It requires some work but compared to other socials there's a lot more people here who in one way or another can get you rewards compared to just relying on ad revenue and views like elsewhere.

Ahh, okay. I got it. I should search my interests, such as poetry or whatever I like, then connect with them. And the key is hard work and persistence. Do the best I can do!
Thank you so much for your advice and I really appreciate it ^^

I had some suggestions to you in December, here. You said you're too busy to engage with others. Here we are, two months later and you are complaining. Walking the same path and expecting different outcome never works.

Yes, At first. But after you suggested that, I tried to do my best and got in touch with some people lately. And I feel like there is progress and I'm not stuck there comparing with my first month :) and I am still doing and learning here.
@erikah
and I think 2 months is a short time and there are still many months and year ahead that must be fought for. There must still be support and I think I got them gradually

and I just share my thoughts to @acidyo because I am new, read the post, and do not really understand how it works and thank God too that he gave me the suggestions too for me. I started to look for what I am interested in and try to do my best here

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I used to feel that way about my content. I think when you invest that much time and effort into something it's only natural to expect at least some kind of growth or recognition. Clearly the effort was lacking on this persons part although they probably denied that fact. There are still some people on here that make quite a bit more than me and they have been here less time or the same amount. I'd be lying if I said it didn't bug me a little, but I don't go crying about it everywhere. I recently started to upvote pretty much every comment that I reply to. It's not much, but I worked hard to find the right balance so I can do that every day and not blow my VP out of the water. It's my way of letting them know I appreciate their interaction and though it's often small, it adds up over time.

It can't always be equal or fully fair as you mentioned that some others may make more, it's the same on my posts for instance, there may be newcomers or others who earn more than my posts and quite consistently but it doesn't mean it will always stay that way or that they get the same benefits from the platform in other ways over time.

I also understand the sentiment of "having made it" then aiming for more because if you aren't getting more upvotes and rewards it feels like you're falling off, but that's something that stake is there to help you balance it out. I've had times my posts were top rewarded daily for many weeks in a row and times were there were barely any autovotes or any interactions, if I had stayed powered up or even kept half of the rewards staked all this time it sure would've made up for the lack of post rewards in curation rewards which many like to not think about. It can't always be constant and "only up".

Yeah, that is a good point. Like I said, I can't complain about my post rewards. I had a run there where I was doing very very well, but then I got muted by a ranchero and another account. Oh well, crap happens! I'm just working on building my stake so the curation rewards can really make a difference. Problem is I keep delegating my HP away to projects like Zing!

seems like he likes to mute many

Some people have an entitlement mentality. They think the community owes them something just because they showed up and posted something, instead of being grateful for the opportunity they have before them. I think all of us wish our posts would earn more, but if I focus on that, then I miss out on the opportunities to better myself and increase my earnings in the future. I'm happy with what my posts earn and strive to be a better creator and expand my reach and influence. That strikes me as a better attitude.

I think the problem is people, to many endorsement about getting rich quick, making easy money here... and of course in term of making money, there are always be someplace which are greener.

I have been downvoted for reasons that even they do not wish to talk about. However I believe those guys are good people, and because HIVE is the place I believe a real decentralization can exist (right now, don't know in future). agreement and disagreement is something that we can not avoid during any kind of interaction between people. If I do not have proper understanding about this, I might go and leave too... and sometime ago I got amazed that even some older accounts who had been on HIVE longer, still did not understand this too.

And recently I joined in with some older users, we are small accounts, but we want to show people (especially from same region) that we can have fun too here by making post with our own language... We try our best to shift people mind from getting as many HIVE as soon as possible, to be what a Hiver or Hivian should be... just exist here, do some talk, post if you have time and will, poke each others, support each others same as what people did on Facebook... by the time goes, those monetization will still follow too. I do not know whether this will work or not, but at least I try something no matter how small it is.

here I am a beginner and still don't have much experience and maybe my knowledge is still less than all of you. but see such a problem. I think the key is in the person. The person who enters for the first time and has a stake definitely wants everything to be fast and instant. This is something I have felt and this mentality must be corrected. thinking like that will not be good in the long term and with a glance and a little encouragement I feel that way and what I read and see hiver people who have been good for a long time respond to me fortunately in a good way but firmly teach me what is good. I think that needs to be increased more to improve our mentality and thinking so that we can be the same thinkers and have good long-term goals for the future.

I don't judge people for how they want to make money or what they consider is worth their time. People who are here just for the money are probably going to leave when they find greener pastures.

The money means almost nothing to me. I've put more into Hive than gotten back. I'm just here to record the life of a couple of cats, our hobbies and to have fun. The content here is real, I avoid the content that is just made to make money. A couple weeks work is worth far more than 1000 hours of time spent posting, browsing and curating on Hive. There are far better ways to make money.

I left hive for a year or so because there was nothing positive to say or do under lockdown. It was more important to focus on other areas of development. The control you have over the content you see and create is far more important than a few bucks. At times we don't want to see anything.

There are many accounts who just take from Hive, they write excellent posts, sometimes they even write meaningful comments but they are leeches, taking off thousands and keeping HP worth a fraction of what they have got out of the ecosystem. This is even worse than the complainers who leave. Of course these accounts are silent because they don't want to direct attention to themselves since their power is so low.

It's the reputation system that needs an overhaul. If you power down or go a while without posting or curating, you should lose some reputation. How accounts who haven't posted in years, who never curate or who power down 99% of the Hive they get, have high reputations is beyond me. If someone writes something negative, hit that downvote button, it's a great way to exhibit your disapproval. It's not smart to spam Acid's wall with negativity.

Yeah usually when I say reputation I mean the reputation behind you as a username/person, not the number that goes up based on how many upvotes you receive compared to downvotes. I believe @blocktrades is working on a better reputation system not for hive but something broader that could be implemented on hive.

I've had to answer those questions and similar countless times from my Hive mentees. Some do complain bitterly and even withdraw but with time they come back.

The simple truth is that many come here with an entitlement mentality. They feel they should be rewarded maybe because of the way we marketed the blockchain to them. However, it doesn't change the truth that if they spent the time they do on Hive on web2 social media, they would have earned nothing as well.

Also, the mindset of these "complaining users" is that of short-term benefit. They want to reap before sowing, instead of looking out for ways to help in the building of the community. The truth is that when a user makes an effort to contribute, such user cannot be left unnoticed.

A change of mindset is needed as well as out approach of marketing the blockchain.

To tell you the truth i am not surprised. I am here almost since the beginning back in steem days so i have seen a lot. For me also it's human nature to complain when something doesn't get like you want or expect. I can agree that Hive has some issues that need to be resolved, we are quite undervalued, and we need better marketing, more builders (like you with the upcoming game) and less abuse (fairly way better than years ago) but we also need to criticise ourselves as well.

For instance, i think that currently in order for someone to get more and better rewards he/she will need content & networking. Content can limit you though if you don't comment, upvote and in general interact with the community. I know that first-hand as when i had a lot of free time and was here 5-6 hours per day interacting with people (i was top in the list for months in terms of commenting according to leostats), my rewards were x3-4 times what they currently are and when Hive was around 15-20 cent, so you can imagine. The past year for instance and this one my time is limited, i try to make at least 2-3 posts per week, ofc to reply back to any comment under my post and also if i have the time to curate and comment as well. Ofc my rewards are nowhere near what used to be and it's due to the lack of time. Literally, if i make a post, send it to you and you post as your own you will receive 10-20 times more due to that networking effect.

I don't say this as a negative though, what i am trying to say is that we all need to go the extra mile and not take everything for granted just because we made a post, are here for a certain period of time etc etc. We need to know of our situation set goals and stop complaining without actual reason for things that are before our grasp. I think there are more serious things that need to be addressed around Hive than these kinds of complaints. It's even more sad and frustrating when you see people complaining like the one you mentioned, who is actually abusing the system :p Like come on man, you have been getting x rewards for x amount of time with an x form of abuse and you still wanna complain? :P Hive doesn't need you!

Was going to say I remember you from way back but looks like I'm still following you too. Guess I've just been rather busy lately with @holozing to curate my feed properly. :D

Haha no worries I don't have the time I want for curation as well so i get you. Keep focusing on the game I would say, as I consider it to currently be the most expected thing around Hive, that will benefit the ecosystem greatly in my opinion if it succeeds!

An uncomfortable question for any content creator to ask: is my content good?

On the topic of content quality, I liked this recent article from Cal Newport: https://calnewport.com/on-slow-writing/. It tells the story of an essayist who discovered that spending 2X time crafting an article leads to 4X more new subscribers.

will have to check it out thanks

Well I’m really new here but I think that at times you’ve got to critically look through your post and contents if you feel it’s not doing so well and honestly take a look at
There might just be some things to adjust
And honestly things will go up and down all the time
There’s no need to be fair weathering about it

I sort of aborded this situation countless times. Even though I'm not too active on this side of the chain, I'm a good observer lol. And it really feels disappointing to see people stepping back or change their attitude when things start happening differently either if we talk about other users, the Blockchain, or the value of the coins. I guess it's an education that for some is definitely missing. Sadly.

Most do not understand that votes are not secure. Curators change and so do their habits, a future depending on others cannot be assured.

The safest thing there is in Hive is curation with your own HP. You should always aim to grow your stake. Also build other business models, but very few do. Hive is a fertile field for good ideas.

I like Hive quite a bit from a theoretical standpoint. To be honest though, it does feel like there is something strange about it. I see people that no matter what they post get hundreds of votes for double digit rewards but no actual engagement or comments. I even occasionally get that. And it feels good but, still fake.

So when people get used to the fake 'engagement' and they're really only posting daily or whatever they're doing to get payouts, I kind of can see why they then get upset when it doesn't happen. Like you post something and 300 people upvote it. Then you post something and no one cares at all, it is a bit demoralizing. Kind of guessing none of those 300 people actually even read that post. So what's the point?

Granted, building a following that actually cares and engages is difficult on any social platform... here everything just feels fake to me. Other than the very few actual people that comment and interact occasionally. Guess it could just be me though. 🤷‍♂

I take it since you're new you're not aware of curation trails, basically the amount of votes doesn't mean anything on hive. Compared to other blockchains transactions here are free and only cost resource credits which most accounts have, even small ones, so they can at no cost follow other votes and apply their votes on whatever they vote. Then there's also autovotes on whatever people post, you can "follow" accounts with your votes with tools such as hive.vote. It's more about knowing who the voters are, how much stake they have and if they tend to vote automatically or manually.

Anyone could for instance have created 1000 accounts, set up a trail and constantly get 1000 votes on every post, but based on the stake it still could mean less than $0.01 rewards so amount of votes really doesn't mean much. It's all about comments.

I see. I didn't actually know it was that easy to tack on so many votes. It truly is all about the comments. Actual interaction. 😅

There's some people even "trailing" my comment votes which is a bit misleading, after I give you a vote now you may see a couple other votes land on your comment straight after.

It may not be the fault of the HIVE system, but a characteristic of certain people. I suspect that the people who are constantly complaining here behave the same way in real life.

One of the Youtube channels I've been watching recently said, "Such people are black holes and if you give them something, they will not be grateful and will only want more," and that is so true. They often seem to take their daily HIVE rewards for granted and want to cut their labor even more if they can.

I think it's also characteristic of them that they say, "I'm leaving, I'm leaving," yet they continue to post. It was painful at times because it seemed like a threat of some sort for me. I'm glad to read your post today.

I think $3-5 per post is already nice, especially if they post daily. But I guess they got jealous of your posts which get a whole lot more. I think a lot of these types of people want instant gratification, and maybe have an inflated ego. They believe they deserve something, but they don't. Just being here for a long time, or posting something doesn't equate to a lot of votes. I think networking and making connections is more than half the battle.

I only have low voting power, and it will take almost 100 percent of my vote for it to reach 0.02. Since I also curate manually, I don't have enough to upvote comments and get to that consistently. That is why I try my best to personally go to their profile, comment on their latest post, and vote on it as well. It is one of my goals to be able to have enough power to consistently upvote commenters. But that is still a long way to go.

You're going to get there soon enough, it'll also help if the price went higher to reach the .02 threshold. Some times even voting 1% so it shows the upvote even if it does't give any rewards is nice enough to have acknowledged the comment with a vote. I followed you recently and you seem to be doing good, you'll get there pretty soon!

I'll take that advice. I guess this is a perfect example of "It's the thought that counts". I'll include that to what I'm already doing. But yeah, I'm slowly making my way there. Just getting to 0.02 was an uphill battle. But I felt like from there it was much smoother.

Reading this content, I feel you right now. To be honest, I also ask that same question to myself, but I don't care if I'd been receiving/earning a few amount of money. Even though I can admit to myself that I've got inactive due to my school works and health condition, but every time I've explore the contents of every writers/bloggers, there are times that I was passed by of reading that kind comments form others users. Maybe I didn't understand what was going on at that time, but I can really feel some disappoint or unfair on that state.

I will add this to my bookmarks of "How to Hive" I review them from time to time, in my short period of been here I have seen this but Im on the side of "you do you" and I know that kind of mindset takes ppl no where, probably something that we will keep seen from time to time more or less depending on market conditions as ppl come and go, I do feel getting ppls attention on Hive is not as hard as in legacy social networks but as you mention once ppl start getting the rewards they forget about that, they forget that on legacy their accounts mean basically nothing to the network when on Hive its way bigger even though they "only" getting certain amount of $rewards$, some of us learn through time an experience that this will take us no where and others just never learn, some ppl see Hive as a daily pay check where they can take out certain amount of $$ and they dont realize that by accumulating all that HP represents through time way more than a daily pay check

It's human nature to get used to something and start to assume that you deserve it regardless of your actions, or lack thereof.

An obvious example is marriage. People work hard to earn each others love during the dating period, then get married and assume they will get to continue to enjoy the benefits without continuing to put in all of the work. And then they wonder why their marriage is struggling.

So I'm guessing it's the people, not the platform.

Really good comparison!

not being curated "enough", i.e. not making as much post rewards

Well, there is no accurate definition of enough, and there are many people, who are not curated enough, even if they write good posts. But then, complaining is not the solution. I sometimes get good curation and sometimes not, but then that's not what I write for. If I feel to write then I write - its just some form of emotional expression, that helps me to put some memories that will be a souvenir for me in my old age. The time spent to write, definitely may not always get the result if calculated in financial terms, but its just not that, there are so many factors which are subjective.

If you do posts such as this expect shit loads of responses! I used to do them, but I can reads yours instead, Everyone here loves drama, even though it's not your own 😀

Guess you gotta write them every now and then

Curating others and interacting with them requires certain mindset that can hardly be learnt, you either have it or don't. It's some kind of a virtual extroversion. Some people are rather introvert in their real life and extrovert online, others vice versa.

When it comes to bot commands, I don't see point in burning your time with them when you can actually create something. In the Czech community, some of the most annoying are muted, at least. I guess that may be a way to get rid of them from moderated communities.

These problems are as old as the mIRC platform. Something never changes.

But the ones who are diligent and are doing the work are always successful here. So, if you have problems, just check what you do wrong. Or get a top account, see how many times they connect with others, how big and what quality their posts are, and do the same.

For me, i am seems scary and fear to whale, because i dont know they can offended or not, even though it supposed they dont know me, but what if, yeah fear to get downvoting because like democracy if they dont like it they can downvote all the content until going to zero daily. So i will choosing not too much spamming even want to write something in my mind.

But overal i think making good content and express my feelings is pretty good for health and life too at least for me, and yeah i am not denied that somehow i am dissapointed if not getting regocnized. But, it is okay as long as i can growing both my writing skill,communication skill,getting new friends,and of course my wallet.

Thing is, most who are whales have things to fear as well. Let's assume an example where you suddenly start shittalking me in my posts or insinuate certain things, I can choose to ignore them if I find them baseless and maybe judge you but if I were to act upon it as retaliation with downvotes, etc, it may cost my reputation. This is important because even if not many may act up initially on countering my downvotes with upvotes, they will be judging my actions as well and if overdone they will/should eventually as a community step in and ask me not to act in such a way and start countering my downvotes or downvote me back if I am posting actively as well as an opinion that my downvotes are an overreaction/unfair.

I'm not saying go out and start antagonizing whales, just pointing out that every action can have their own consequences. There's many on Hive who have disagreed with my use of downvotes in the past and there's many who agreed with them, it's not always black and white and no matter what you do you won't get everyone to agree with you.

It is like chain reaction right?
but maybe you are right sir, it will cost the reputation and building up the reputation is not easy either. But yeah, i hope i am not insulted whale too. Still i am respecting they and want to be part of whale too even though i am still build step by step. Maybe if whale can guide and make it train like pay it forward train, it will make the community on hive will be better.

The underlying problem is that Hive is very different from all the crypto projects out there. You can get tokens simply by writing quality articles, but this doesn't necessarily happen, or always happen.

The best bet is always to buy $HIVE rather than wait for someone to vote on your posts. And it often happens that those who obtain rewards then sell them directly on the exchanges (perhaps here we could intervene on the adjustment of the rewards based on one's Hive Power... but this would still require a lot of discussion).

Furthermore, I think we should also intervene in some way on these trash tokens that often flood the comments section. The fact that Hive gives away coins stimulates users to claim the right to want more and more, even by producing poor quality posts.

Are the tribe token comments really that bad??? I tend to use them a lot, both on my posts and others.

As for the other things, some people don't know how to be grateful, unfortunately :(

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yeah lots of people kinda get annoyed with them hehee

but I love when I get them from you.... because..you're YOU.

and i know how sweet and kind-hearted you are and how you genuinely send LUV every time you do those tokens!! hehehe

but that's cuz I've known you forever lolol

I wouldn't change who you are... keep doing you! You are one of a kind!!!

Thanks so much ♥️ I don't think I can be anyone else 😂

And you keep being YOU ♥️

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It basically boils down to the author, as you can see there's not many if any here in this post. Some of the unnecessary ones I see I ask the commenters to please not do the command on my posts and they're okay with that. If however some authors really value them and actively engage with throwing them back at commenters, etc, it can easily get out of control. There's some accounts on here with 50-100 comments where 80%+ are just that which makes curating and judging consumption of a post a nightmare.

Yeah, I have a contest post which leans that way. But we also take the time to wade through the token messages, and genuinely engage, so I wouldn't want to change anything for that particular initiative. Thanks so much for the feedback :)

I’m here to make friends from all over the world. Play blockchain games and share my love for hive. I hope to build something great here and have fun doing so.

The truth is indeed bitter and to be honest you hit the nail right on the head . It is not rocket science , if an individual is simply here for the gains and not putting hard and genuine work the ecosystem just has a way to fish such person out. Hive will always be a proper decentralized ecosystem platform rewarding genuine contents handsomely while it discards unauthentic ones..

It's very interesting, I'm very lucky that I was never one of those people. I never thought about leaving Hive or badmouthing it, I always thought about how I could improve Hive and myself.

I actually see this in different ways. Some people truly complain that they have been here for long and not earning well. I just feel they are not meeting the right people or not engaging well.
At the same time, I feel those who have more money are the ones who should earn well because of their stakes.
Also, people who engage well deserve to earn better

I have personally not thrown a tandum (yet), I have been here for years & I have been trolling people for years!
I personally think that my and only my HBD savings rate should be 50% with all of the trolling I have been doing here!

busted up laughing at that!!!😂

Hehe. Mission accomplished!

The the sense of entitlement around here is really legendary.

It's a very odd experience to see so many apply unreasonable standards to others (and even the whole network) while simultaneously not being able to apply those standards to themselves. Okay now you are honor bound to upvote this comment; I deserve it.

not with that selfvote I'm not

The selfvote was totally part of the joke.
I think you know that.

i know you think i know that but do u know what I think you know?

I don't know what you think I know, no.

$3 per post is a very good reward. I have the same income from staking HBD. Accumulating 5700 HBD is not easy. But I love the hive because it will turn my $3 into $30.

It's the people, greediness, and lack of satisfaction that were covering his whole soul. Hive doesn't deserve this kind of people.

The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. I think Hive is somewhere you can easily build an emotional interest like any job or relationship... and when things go South they really go South. I think the common denominator in most of the complaints is an attachment to Hive... maybe it's a good thing. And maybe it is us and not them who needs to change.

Dunno, some of the attachments do come off as unhealthy if you see their reactions when things start going south.

At a glance I'd judge any loud relationship as unhealthy. I also think of myself as healthy until I feel the pain.

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3rd comment LOL
HW is an entity that has a purpose. In my opinion, this purpose is a valuable service on Hive. Also in my opinion, they don't always have the best of intentions.

meh. people. world. all that.

live and let live. keep your nose clean. don't give ammo. be chill.

Having said that - oh my gosh. I have said the SAME thing as you. to so many people AFTER they are caught.

If they spent as much time just writing and engaging - which they are ACTUALLY pretty good at.... they would have made more in the long run, than this stupid shortcut that they took. And the shortcut always ruins their reputation, and hurts infinitely more in the long run.

But - temptation. it's a beeeyotch. and we ALL have those temptations. They find us, and they know our weaknesses - and God forbid we fall, in public humiliation.

Cuz that's the thing... we are all freaking human, and not one of us is above failing. The thing is - some of us have more public failings than others, and the ones who ride on high horses forget that it could be them next - and they should be a little more chill. LOL

respect goes a long way. and you never know when you're gonna need a little of that grace that you willingly and generously give - or selfishly hoard. But I guarantee - when that fall happens... we will all be wishing for that chance to go back and be a little kinder when we had the opportunity.

I'm not saying anyone should turn a blind eye. I'm saying we can all deal out the punishment/ consequences with a little respect for the human before you. Because no matter how much power we all think we have... there is always someone with more power that can deal with you JUST AS YOU DID to others.

(not you. that is the general "you". lol)

I think Hive is at a fair price xD.

Won't mind it shooting to the moon someday, but whatever the price the idea behind it is even more valuable, isn't it?

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