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RE: The Downvote Debate : A complex issue in need of a complex solution

in Threespeak3 years ago

When I see the 100% downvotes that come in a few minutes before payout

You probably mean in the last day as a few minutes before payout they would have no effect. I don't agree with downvoting on the very last day but then again not too early either as then they love calling it censorship from trending or whatever. Truth is downvotes aren't incentivized at all and only come with an unending amount of drama if you attempt to explain them and other retaliation and bad things so it's not like you sit there waiting for the best time to strike, more like you take some time to find those posts you feel could use less rewards and happen upon an author once a week or once a month so you just hit whatever overrewarded posts they may have then. There may be people who place them on autodownvotes at a certain time which isn't that bad either unless someone beats you to it and you end up taking too much. There's been a few times I've downvoted certain posts and another downvote landed on it after turning the rewards to 0 so I've had to unvote but it's hard to notice these things so we could use better tools for it. There's been some talks about incentivizing downvotes with some sort of rewards but that's going to be difficult as receivers of downvotes will look for any reason to call them foul, even now they like to say it's so you get more curation or post rewards even though they're spread literally with the whole platform and maybe at max make a 0.001 hive difference on your returns.

Let's see if some people come up with some better solutions, I've been a proponent of people experimenting with this on l2 but not too impressed with most l2 tokens to date. Most seem like moneygrabs where you have to buy in or the owners receive a ridiculous share early on.. as if they didn't learn anything from Steemit...

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I definitely jumped the gun when I first looked into the social side of Hive. I saw someone fighting for free speech against the "oligarchy", I was on it! After learning more, I understand now that this was a knee-jerk reaction. I've found all kinds of efforts on here that I didn't realize existed and they are run by the "oligarchy." I will be ending my proxy and redistributing my votes based on who is doing the most for Hive as I did originally before jumping on a proxy.

A lot of people just don’t know what they are doing or how any of this stuff works. I was like that for two years. I think There are even second layers that are just thinking “it’s easy, why not?” I mean I almost considered it for cross culture but I don’t have the time or energy to manage that and I think most of my team doesn’t have the particular skills or know how for it.

Also in general, There is a lot of mistrust for large stakeholders and people feel like it’s so hard to get into certain peoples good graces. DPoS is a complicated power dynamic. It’s sometimes difficult for poor and rich people to be friends in society. It’s even harder when the rich people can give you a piece of the inflation with a vote. All kinds of strangeness. I’m not complaining. I love this place. But it’s new and imperfect. We are still figuring it out.

Sure but many of these have been around for years, it's not like I'm judging newcomers for overreacting to downvotes. Not that many get downvoted either, it's a very tiny percentage but they are loud as fuck for obvious reasons.