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RE: What would you prefer, Short, Long or a Mix of content types on Hive?

in Ask the Hive5 years ago

I think content is content - if you are interested in the topic and the post contains much value for you and your knowhow - it doenst matter how long it is. I read 500 word posts and 10 word posts and find both of them valuable.

It's like in video: The production quality and length of a video is not important - it is the content value distribution what counts.

totally out of topic: many posts on hive do not receive the deserved appreciation in form of rewards even if they provide super high value. Sorry I don't want to offend you because of the votes you've recieved. You are not guilty for that and I admire your work here and there and you probably deserve those rewards but on other posts..

But: In my personal opinion the rewards are super unfair distributed here on hive right now. You are asking questions, putting a stock photo in your post and recieve 46 hive? Hmmm. I wrote >60 more words in only 1min of my time with this comment. I think we could set fire to new hive users by giving them even 10% of what you got here.

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I read 500 word posts and 10 word posts and find both of them valuable.

I agree. The next question would be, if you had to pay out of your pocket, would you consider a spend of 10 dollars on a book okay? What about 10 dollars on a meme? As an individual, you will likely be able to justify the first - as a group, it might be a different story.

You don't offend me. Perhaps with SMTs there will be some differentiation available. People complain about my content not being short enough at times, but then they also complain that my short posts get rewarded. I don't set the autos. However, in general my content probably holds some value for some people and has done consistently over time - that should be encouraged, shouldn't it? People will question the rewards on this post, but if it was coming from someone else, they wouldn't bat an eyelid.

You are asking questions, putting a stock photo in your post and recieve 46 hive?

That is my daughter. I only use my own photos - 99.9% of all the content I use is my own, pictures included. Yesterday I wrote about 4000 words - the day before the same. You see? People look at the payout on one post, not the 3.5 years prior.

Hey, @tarazkp.

if you had to pay out of your pocket, would you consider a spend of 10 dollars on a book okay? What about 10 dollars on a meme? As an individual, you will likely be able to justify the first - as a group, it might be a different story.

That's the whole question answered in a nutshell. What is the 'market' value, for lack of a better way of putting it, of short form vs. long form or just plain any form.

If people want to spend their time sharing memes all day, and nickling and diming each other for it, and call that adding value, great. Nothing stopping them from doing it now. If people expect to get high upvotes on their shared content—something they did not create, something they can't even attribute to because it's all but public domain, something they simply copied and pasted from somewhere—and then expect that gravy train to last very long, well, good luck with that, too.

I suppose, at this point in the existence of HIVE, it will depend on whether or not enough large accounts are for it or at least neutral to avoid hitting it with a barrage of downvotes when a cat on a roomba meme hits $50 HTU.

It sounds like 3Speak is going to be trying something like that, so there you go. We'll see what comes of that and whether they can avoid the pitfall Dmania created with their curation bot.

3Speak actually says they want original short form content, so if that's enforced, then maybe we have a chance of seeing something worthwhile.

Regardless, at this stage of the game, it's not about the content anyway. It's about how much you've worked to build up your network of supporters (friends, patrons, customers, whatever you want to call them), and just how frequently they actually manually curate, or check their autovotes.

We'll see what comes of that and whether they can avoid the pitfall Dmania created with their curation bot.

Well, their "bot" was Zombee raping the delegation :D

3Speak actually says they want original short form content, so if that's enforced, then maybe we have a chance of seeing something worthwhile.

I am interested to see if it brings in new creators and more importantly, consumers.

The benefits of decentralized media is that many approaches can be aplied simultaneously and eventually,m some will find a foothold, while others will wither and die. I have a feeling that at least in the coming few years, there will be a solid minority of people consuming long-form of various kinds, even while the majority will perhaps increasingly favor short to the point that what they are consuming is barely even content at all - just the odd flash of colored light :D

I am too. Videos, depending on what they are, can be pretty time consuming, even when they're under a minute. If it's someone droning on about technical analysis for 45 seconds—just the voice and screen backdrop—that's quite a bit different than someone who has a bunch of different edits, different camera angles, different people onscreen, music, etc. etc.

As far as memes and such go, it will be interesting to see how they go about that. What constitutes original? Does the photo and the words need to be from the author, or just the words? How much is smaller upvotes? All questions I'm eager to see answered.

I'd like to see what 'short' form content is adding value. I'd like to see what medium or long form content is adding value. And I agree wholeheartedly with the some will find footing and others will wither. If we let it. If people can just accept that, great. If they try to 'game the game', well, then we will have artificially inflated results that will only spark more controversy rather than resolve anything.

My feeling is, anything over 144 characters is considered long form anymore. :)

The problem I find with a lot of videos is that there is no space to really absorb what is said and think further, no self-discovery. In writing I can read at my own speed, stop and think for a while, ponder and synthesize.

Over the time I have been here I have discovered that the consumers of a lot content often struggle for new ideas. I put this down to lots of eating, not much chewing.

My feeling is, anything over 144 characters is considered long form anymore. :)

Even Twitter doubled it, didn't they? :D

As a society, we're moving farther and farther away from reading and writing into something strictly consumption based where we're largely entertained or otherwise occupied, where we don't have to really think, just feel. Or not even that in some cases. Just sit there.

So, when you say ponder and chew on things, you're among the dwindling few that actually want to engage the mind rather than react with pure emotion, or find some constant escape. Escape is great, but you can't live there and end up with anything meaningful.

re: videos

I agree as far as absorption goes, though someone must be freeze framing them to pick out every single Easter egg that everyone else missed because they watched it only once and then formed their opinion on it based on what little they actually absorbed. :)

re: Twitter

Yeah, and they took some flack for it, too. I've never been a fan of the original, so, they doubled it. Whatever. And people are mad that they don't have to cram as much of an idea into a smaller space anymore. :)

So, when you say ponder and chew on things, you're among the dwindling few that actually want to engage the mind rather than react with pure emotion, or find some constant escape. Escape is great, but you can't live there and end up with anything meaningful.

It will be an extreme form of separation, the real haves and havenots. I see it that the children raised as consumers and not with the skills to generate something of value, will be in the havenot group. "Rich dad, poor dad" = "rich content, poor content" ?

though someone must be freeze framing them to pick out every single Easter egg

Time well spent... Imagine what else someone could have done with their time.

And people are mad that they don't have to cram as much of an idea into a smaller space anymore. :)

There is some beauty in this, plenty of ugly too. It is a platform of headlines forming "depth" of opinion.

Ohh your picture just looks as good as a stock foto! Sorry for that

because you did the picture yourself your post valued up in my mind

I absolutely think that a longterm engagement and post quality is valuable but I also think that there is no balance right now compared to new users. I dont know how to avoid that and I am no blockchain specialist or whatever - I justed noted those wierd high rewards under many and not only your posts. Like I've said: no judgement / offence and yeah I hope that smart people will find a good solution for this..

To answer your question: I would pay more for the piece that takes the most time. A book in your example of course. A meme has short humourous value but tbh that's not the kind of content I would ever pay anything for ^^ my personal preference is videos / short or long movies /documentations since I am more a visual guy and I like to see/hear what the content is about. A well made 5 minutes video can transport so much more than a written text for me personally. If the video is well made and diverse enough my attention span is longer than that but I never will be able to watch > 20min gameplay or talking head videos. It all depends on content and production quality.

because you did the picture yourself your post valued up in my mind

This is part of the reason I do it. I am not a photographer, so I can't really offer individual pictures that stand alone, but I am an enthusiast, so I can use them to support my story as a creative of some kind.

A meme has short humourous value but tbh that's not the kind of content I would ever pay anything for ^^

They are also ubiquitous and free on a million and one other platforms.

A well made 5 minutes video can transport so much more than a written text for me personally.

I agree, I used to love the pixar shorts and the emotion they could bring in short periods of time - but just think how long one of those takes to create.

It all depends on content and production quality.

I answered piece by piece before i got to this - but yep.