The estate ain't real

in LeoFinance4 years ago

Over the last few weeks, I have seen a few articles and had several various people mention the potential for interest rate hikes that will affect housing prices. I have been reading mostly about the Australian market that has seen massive gains in housing values over the last couple years and now, there is concern that if interest rates increase, it will all come crashing down in a metaphorical house of cards scenario.

Debt has "never been so cheap" to take on and this has mean that a lot of people have been borrowing to buy all over the place, whether it be housing or electronics on buy now, pay later (BNPL) conditions. The problem is that the pay later will eventually come and when people are extending themselves past what they earn now and into areas that are affected by interest rates, they are overextended. This can make sense for some, but when people are taking on debt to their limit at the current rates, if those rates move upward, they can no longer service the debt and they risk defaulting.

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But, when money is easy to get, it is also easy to spend, which is what we have seen in the housing market. People are flush with the bank's cash, so they don't mind paying more than what something is actually worth, which is what has driven housing prices so heavily, with some houses selling for 30% more than the expected upper limit. This sets up very precarious conditions, as when people are extended to their outer boundary for debt and what they have bought was overpriced, their "asset" is potentially highly depreciative.

Housing is a decent store of value, if paying a decent price for it, but when paying 30% more than its value, it essentially becomes buying a new car and driving it off the lot. If interest rates rise and a person has to sell, the first seller may be able recoup the majority of the value, but this can trigger a landslide, as interest rates rise for all and many are well past their limit if they move up even marginally.

On top of this, I was writing the other day how the bank of parents has been financing their children to get into the housing market, which sounds like a good idea, until you consider that the values are well overpriced and those who have bought are overextended if interest rates rise. The additional money from parents has been used to back additional debt, with every dollar received adding 4 dollars of bank credit to buy. Parents have so far put in 33 billion dollars in the last year and as interest rates rise and their kids can no longer manage the debt, they will either have to inject more cash to float them or, watch them fail and lose what they had put into it. Banks get their money before parents.

What this means is that parents have enabled their children to overpay into a market that is likely to collapse, as interest rates at the lowest they have ever been will eventually increase and people are unable to service their debts, causing some percentage to default and crashing home values. Long term for those who can survive, this might not matter too much as prices will eventually recover to some degree and everyone needs a place to live anyway, but that long-term view is in the length of decades. For those who have cash to buy real estate, a couple years from now looks like a very good opportunity, as unfortunately, many young people who have finally managed to get into the housing market, will end up defaulting.

The last year has seen unprecedented cash printed and injected into economies around the world and yet, household debt is increasing. Australia has the second highest rate of personal debt in the world and with so many young people using BNPL services (that have seen a meteoric rise in company value as a result), this is just set to worsen. Fiscal irresponsibility isn't only managed at the governmental level.

The other day I wrote a post about preparing for the bear market and this is related. With debt being "cheap" at the moment, we have effectively been in a debt-seeking bullrun, where rising inflation will be the bear returning. For those who have taken the cheap money but have not used it to buy something that has an appreciating value to prepare for the bear, they are going to suffer. For those who bought into the idea that it is so cheap, best take as much as you can, they are likely to have done fundamental harm to their financial future. I think it is safe to say, most didn't buy Bitcoin at the low with the cheap debt.

When we took a loan last year for our house (technically two loans), we made sure that there is a collar in place and we pay a little extra for 10 years of upwardly locked interest rates. But, we also stress tested our loan at a far greater percentage and took the bare minimum (perhaps I should say - "bear" minimum) we could take and still manage. It has made things much tighter for us and we have had to scrimp and save and inject a hell of a lot of our own money into the renovations, with every bit of monthly leftovers going toward it. While much harder to do and far more compromise in result, we are likely in a better financial position if the interest rates rise, than those who got what they wanted now, by pushing their loans to the maximum.

The current economic structure is always going to boom and bust, as that is how it is designed. With each boom, those with get richer, and with each bust, those with collect more for the next boom. This means that there is a narrowing of those with and an increase of those who are increasingly squeezed out of economic availability and opportunity to becomes those without. There are opportunities to improve the situation, but when they arise, the average person fucks it up and wastes it, by acting as if the conditions of plenty are never going to hit another downturn.

Due to a host of reasons in the global economy, we are entering into a period of time that is quite unprecedented and we are likely going to see a massive shakeup in the world. I think that a lot of people know this, yet are not preparing for it in any way, as they do not know what is going to be the thing that hedges them against the volatility. I don't know either, but one thing is for damn sure, I don't want to be caught with my pants down and full of debt when the bears arrive, I want to be able to both stand my ground and run simultaneously.

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Mortgage debt is the number one that I don't want to have. It's how they keep you down!

If this bull market performs well enough, I am seriously considering getting out of the mortgage completely.

Me too. True freedom!

J wants to do that as well, which is one of many reasons why nothing has been done to this house even though there's a lot of stuff that should be done before it becomes a really expensive fix as opposed to an expensive fix x_x

Aussie banks usually also assess people's ability to pay back the mortgage with a higher percentage than what the rate they are charging. It was as high as 7% before but I think that has come down a little bit. But always higher than what is charged so there is a degree of flex in the rate hikes until people cannot afford them anymore.

For me, I'll be paying down my mortgage as fast as I can when the rates are low to prepare for any potential hikes in the future. Better be safe than sorry.

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I remember it being much harder back when I got my first house there 1999ish, and yeah, they do stress test, but I don't think they do a very good job of factoring in the other obligations that people have. I think the increase in usage of BNPLs is a pretty good indicator.

For me, I'll be paying down my mortgage as fast as I can when the rates are low to prepare for any potential hikes in the future. Better be safe than sorry.

It also allows for some ability to have a bit extra to take advantage in the downturns too.

Yes they used to be quite lenient but from the stories from a couple of friends trying to get mortgages now, seems like they really scrutinise every detail, every transaction. Although word on the street is that this will be flipped the other way soon, burden is shifted onto the borrower instead of lender. Will be interesting to see how it all pans out for the housing market.

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Yeah, I've heard about the craziness in the housing cycle. And then it's bound to all come crashing down. The boom and bust cycles are getting faster and faster (or perhaps I'm just getting older).

I've considering buying down my mortgage earlier, but I think even though my mortgage is crazy high (like 5.5%!), it's still better to take that money and put it into crypto.

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The boom and bust cycles are getting faster and faster (or perhaps I'm just getting older).

I think age is a factor, but also that there is more connectedness between fewer hands.

but I think even though my mortgage is crazy high (like 5.5%!), it's still better to take that money and put it into crypto.

it is a risk and I hope it pays off :)

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It's an interesting time, many like back in 2006 are heading for loans etc - that kinda ties in with your bear market - however on the otherhand at least in the UK to already be heading towards an economy boom, with many people happy to spend some there savings to add some type of normality and comfort, crypto seems to be climbing too generally, the latest thoughts on Ethereum are potentially mindblowing. Interesting times indeed, thank you

It is going to get interesting as consumer confidence is high after all the types of handouts and growing investment markets, but why are they growing? A lot of the production is down.

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It's very strange, we've even heard that many prestigious cars in some countries are virtually impossible to get hold of, in the UK it's possibly due to people not being able to spend - holidays, cars etc. Therefore they're chomping at the bit to do something.

It is interesting to see how different people react to conditions. Some are making hey while the sun shines, some are buying hay.

Very succintly put

Lower interest rates in the foreseeable future seem extremely unlikely to me. Interest rates are fully under the control of central banks because they can simply purchase any bonds they want by issuing the money needed. If central banks stop suppressing bond yields the consequences will be immediate and extremely severe. Italy will become insolvent right away and that will be the end of the EU if the ECB stops buying Italian sovereign bonds. Corporate debt levels are high and many corporations are being kept alive with central bank money.

There is nothing normal about the current situation. But I wouldn't worry too much about interest rates being hiked any time soon provided one has bought valuable assets with cheap credit and now blown it away.

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I think that in the next two years, interest rates will start to creep up and while it will start slow, house loans are 30 years long. When people have overpaid on their houses and some default, the bubble portion will reduce quickly and the value of assets won't cover the debt liability. This is fine if not forced to sell.

In Australia at least, the parents injecting cash to extend loan range will likely lead to them losing their gift, as many of those who they have gifted to are not necessarily financially secure or responsible themselves, as generally, they are younger. This is all hearsay for now, but I suspect in the next five years, we will start seeing some pretty volatile times.

I think that in the next two years, interest rates will start to creep up and while it will start slow, house loans are 30 years long.

I've heard professional investors say that only an increase of 150 basis points or 1.5% would be required to wreck the sovereign bond market. If that is allowed to happen, we will have much bigger problems than slightly more expensive mortgages.

When people have overpaid on their houses and some default, the bubble portion will reduce quickly and the value of assets won't cover the debt liability. This is fine if not forced to sell.

I'm afraid the current situation is not as rosy as that. Most people don't realize there is much less room for interest rates to go up than before. By the way, very low bond yields are the root cause of why institutions are buying Bitcoin in the first place. It is in times like this when bonds yield little to nothing that investors are forced to invest in higher-risk assets than usual. In a normal macroeconomic situation, the entire cryptocurrency sector would hardly even have got off the ground.

1.5% isn't much. It is going to get pretty volatile across many sectors. The housing component is only one facet, it is going to compound in other areas also. Currently, governments seem to be celebrating the "recovery" but I think it is a little bit of premature self-congratualtion.

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1.5% isn't much.

It certainly isn't. Bond yields can be kept down artificially without any restrictions. Problems will emerge elsewhere.

I want to be able to both stand my ground and run simultaneously.

I really want to see that in real life XD

I did know what you meant XD

I reviewed the sentence and at the time said, "that'll do" :D

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What made the real estate special is the direction most of the people have in a big way, as they do not know another way to save their money but this one.

As for me, they are the best, because with the inflation that occurs and the great depreciation of money, real estate and land ensure you keep the value of your money in the long run.

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A lot of people see it as an investment, but it is at best a store of value. Though, we do need a place to live :)

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Due to a host of reasons in the global economy, we are entering into a period of time that is quite unprecedented and we are likely going to see a massive shakeup in the world. I think that a lot of people know this, yet are not preparing for it in any way, as they do not know what is going to be the thing that hedges them against the volatility

I would agree we will see a shakeout. Debt is a cancer and an addiction for many. We bought our house without a loan. I have always believed if you don't have the money to buy it, you can't afford it and don't need it. Sadly folks don't take responsibility anymore.

The services that help people manage debt are inundated currently. Growth industry.

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Are we really in unprecedented times? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

Yes. This is global in a way it has never been before.

Ok, agreed, as the Weimarer Republic was happening in Germany. But here it feels like history repeating. In every scary meaning. I just hope that we are not re-living the same again, even though certain parties are on the rise again.

It will be interesting considering how interconnected business is now. US goes to war with China, yet they are dependent on each other for trade.

True, the question may be who holds the most resources.

China was very active throughout the last years, often unnoticed or not taken seriously enough by the established countries. Thinking about the "new silk road" that they are creating, the businesses and properties/real estate they have bought I wonder who will hold the power in the future.

For a couple decades, people have ignored them until about 2008, when they really started buying up debt.

Don't know about the exact time line but I remember not too long ago you could hear our politicians downplaying China. I never understood why, was it obvious for people like me that the power is shifting.

Now they are kinda in a bowing situation here, realizing that a lot is owned by the Chinese now. It might fall on our feet one day.

Just think about what they have done in Greece.

Oh well, I am taking my dog out for a relax-walk now before I think too much about everything again, otherwise I start crying insideyou know, I'm female and we tend to become emotional😂

See ya and thanks for the little thought exchange here 🙃

People have made so much money from the stock market the past 2 years they are buying million dollar homes with cash here in Canada.

You think that is the average experience in Canada?

I'd call BS on that.

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Look at you! You didn’t... and now you have to farm these shitcoins for your vacation homes! ;)