Talking with a friend the other day about a possible future with his new partner, we were discussing property ownership, renting and investing. Currently, they both have places and are looking to move in together, but are unsure about whether it will be into new place for them both, or the house that my friend already has. Also, the partner wants to sell their place, rather than rent it out.
It is an interesting scenario, because while there are lot so financial implications, much of the current thinking is driven by emotional conditions instead. For instance, it is common in Finland that a person doesn't want to move into the home of a new partner that they shared with an ex, as they feel it isn't "their" home, and they are an intruder of some kind. There are ways to mitigate the feeling, like a bit of surface renovation, but even that might not be enough. For the record, I don't think men have quite the same issue in Finland than women.
The other emotional aspect is the selling of the apartment, rather than the renting out, as essentially they will want to buy a rental apartment anyway. However, they have their own history in that place, and they want to be rid of it, which is why they plan to sell. This is obviously an emotional decision too, but it is interesting to note how even if they will never have to set foot in it again, even having it on the books carries the baggage.
Financially though, it would be better for them to let go of their emotional pasts, and think of their economic wellbeing in the future instead, because this will also likely strengthen their relationship also. It costs to sell, it costs to buy, it costs to move, it costs to redecorate - everything costs. Ultimately, it would be better for them financially to make as few transactions as possible - where for instance, they move into the house together, and immediately start renting out the second home. This has a couple benefits.
Firstly, it reduces the transfer costs significantly if they were to buy an investment property, but it also means that they would be able to start bringing in income immediately from a renter. Where it is located means that the rent will cover the remaining monthly mortgage repayments, and likely leave them with a bit extra in their pocket. This is another thing to consider.
Currently, they are both living as single parents, but one has an adult child who will soon move out for university. This means that they can also save costs in consolidating lives and splitting expenses. This would put an extra bit of cash into their pockets monthly, which would soon add up to a decent deposit on another investment rental property. It would be quite possible for them in two to three years from now, having two rental properties (one shared) that are paying themselves off, and holding or appreciating slightly in value, while also using any extra to pay down the mortgage on the home faster.
Assuming they are around 20 years from retirement, it would mean in that time they would own their house and two rentals outright. This means that rather than the rentals paying themselves off with a little left over, it would all be gained (taxed) income that they can use to supplement their retirement. And, because they have also paid their house, they will also be looking at low overheads, meaning that their retirement is looking pretty healthy. This is something that most people are looking to be able to accomplish, where they have independent income streams from assets, and no debt. And, this is a conservative and safe approach, as it is dealing with property, which is pretty steady and since in a growing area, should also have renters available.
As said in the first line, we were discussing ownership. But, we are living in a world where people are increasingly looking to rent instead of owning, to spend instead of save, because "who knows what is going to happen" in the future. Well, no one knows, but thousands of years of history should be a pretty good indicator that ownership is likely going to produce better results than reliance on others. This is personal ownership, or state ownership. State ownership generally leads to harm to the people the state is meant to support.
In my view, if we become reliant as a renter for our lives, we are eventually going to find ourselves out in the cold, as the system is set up to keep profiteering, to keep growing. And, if we aren't able to grow ourselves, we are going to be drained, either through consumption or inflation.
And what you will notice that what is getting leveraged to be renters, and to say "don't know what the future holds" - are our emotions. We might like to think that we are making the decisions for our best, but they are still rationalised by our emotional states, which are driven by our emotional experiences - which can be pretty irrational.
We shouldn't be in relationships for financial reasons perhaps, but we also should discount the effect financial conditions have on relationships. There are many potential stressors on a relationship, and home economics is one of the largest ones. And, because most of us have difficult relationships with money itself, it is one of the issues that can push us into behaving poorly, erratically, and emotionally - which impacts even more on our interpersonal relationships.
Of course, I am not the one that has to be in the relationship, nor am I in the same position financially as them so I couldn't taker advantage of similar. However, I think that being able to talk through these types of scenarios is useful for my friend who might not consider them in the same way, and also for me, because it helps me double-down on my own thoughts and activities around ownership.
There is a reason people buy gold that they can hold in their hands, instead of renting it.
Renters get left out in the cold.
Taraz
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I don't know about over there, but over here the cost of renting is often more expensive than buying, so the whole mind set of spending money now doesn't really fit as well. I think a lot of it probably depends on the area you live in. The big cities on the coast are much more expensive than where I live.
They sometimes release the numbers on which is better at the time, but the difference is that ´buying is for a length of time and I reckon that most of the time, it is better to own. So, over the space of a few decades, it is on average better, plus at the end of that period, there is held value. Renting is rarely the way to go, unless it can be offset as a tax write-off, like for a business.
Good points! I only rented for as long as I had to when I first moved out of my parents house.
Our relationship with money directly impacts our relationships with people. If we make poor and emotion-based financial decisions it negatively impacts the people we have in our lives. I guess when couples make decisions, they should try as much as possible to take emotion and other forms of bias out of the equation. And the thing is that bad decisions made by couples even go as far as affecting their unborn children.
At the extremes, we can look at the impact of gambling addiction on how bad it can become, but also all the little impacts along the way.
I think this is why a lot of people aren't having children now. Not just because of the cost of having them, but the cost to their own spending on the things that they want - most want to keep making bad decisions.
For me, it would be more cost-effective for each of them to rent out their own home and move together into a new rented home. That way, in case the relationship doesn't work out, each of them will have their own property, return to it or keep it rented, but it will still be their investment.
They will still both have their own properties. I don't know about there, but here, renting is dead money.
Having/buying a house and renting it out is not reasonable to me as a renter has high possibility to cause problems not only with paying but also other things about house. I would sell it if I didn't need it and I would invest in something else.
I might too if I was in some places. However, Finland is pretty safe for renters in most areas. As said though, this is pretty low-risk and conservative - which is what they would be :)
The party who wants to sell their house thinks the relationship will be long-term. Let's say they break up after a month. This will be a difficult situation for the person selling their house. Maybe they need money urgently.
Possibly. But there are also differences in relationships in the mid-forties, compared to the mid-twenties :)
What you just shared now is what people pay to listen to in seminars and conferences. Financial intelligence is very important because an uninformed financial decision can result in loss of funds.
I hope your friend and his partner make the right decision.
I myself am in an economically unbalanced relationship. When I feed her and she rejects me.
So, you think that paying means she isn't allowed to say no to you?
can refuse we live in a free country .
But he's taking advantage of me. I spoil her, I take care of her. but he still rejects me. She never worked. I have problems with alcoholism. He has no money. And I would like a girlfriend. With whom I would have a family. I wouldn't mind feeding and caring for her. i like her But she is stubborn
.I would take care of her like a princess.
This is an eye opener
Great job
On this side of the pond, buying is falling out of favour because real estate prices dictate you have to have one hell of a paying job, or have very little lifestyle/disposable income to purchase a house. Condos are ridiculous because you effectively pay a mortgage and rent in the way of condo fees.
Having bought on the other side of that green knife of real estate inflation, I wouldn’t sell. I couldn’t imagine what I would have to do to qualify for a new, $775000 mortgage let alone enjoy the inflated transaction costs.
Seems like liquidating everything to erase memories and going all in on a single relationship will just make it tougher. Still doable and all in is the only way a relationship lasts but still. Don’t split a winning hand!
Who knows what will happen in the future? How about adding some stability in the form of a huge capital asset that is appreciating in value and can be lived in. Those university kids aren’t about to graduate and buy themselves a house or easily afford rent.
Consolidate and rent for sure!
I strongly prefer owning property, I have not rented since college days.