One of my "biggest fears" for Hive is when the eye of mass attention turns our way, the infrastructure won't scale and will buckle under pressure. With the explosion of Splinterlands over the last month, we saw how this could affect the user experience of others on Hive, as playing bots inundating the system - that issue has been put to rest and as a result, the platform is working smoothly and the load is low - however for a better look at what is going on, @blocktrades has a post out today with some numbers for the geeks.
While I don't honestly know whether the volume of traffic to truly test the system will ever arrive, but I diligently work and openly hope that it will. There is so much to love here as a user, investor and developer, but there is more to it than that. I am one of those idealistic people who believes that we have an opportunity to be part of changing the world for the better.
In order to be part of that, we need to be part of the conversation and as a platform built for tokenized content distribution, this should be one of our core competencies. Perhaps one day, it will shine and become the home of crypto it could be, rather than the shite that is Twitter.
However, I don't even know if that is possible, given the number of accounts we have available - If 20 million people decided to join today, what would happen? I am guessing they are not going to, so I don't have to calm my breath yet - but it would definitely create a little havoc around the traps and mine aren't going to stretch too far.
However, what would be interesting in combination with @howo's coming RC delegations, are pools of assets like account tickets that can be used much like DeFi yield pools, where people can stake an asset for a share of the pool and then a percentage of whatever values are created can be distributed back to the various kinds of liquidity providers.
Resource Credits are a good one for this, as they are only created based on powered up stake, meaning in order to pool it, an equivalent amount of stake has to be locked away. HIVE POWER already attracts an interest yield which is far better than a bank, plus it also carries the possibility for curation return of around 10.5% APR, so adding another yield benefit onto holding HP can only be a good thing to encourage taking HIVE off of exchanges and staking.
For those who don't know or remember, Resource Credits (RCs) are assets that allow accounts to perform operations on the Hive blockchain and transact. Different actions carry different costs in credits, but these credits don't have a value themselves and, they do not have any access to the rewards pool. This means that once they can be delegated, an account can be created, hold zero HIVE POWER and still transact freely, as long as they have some RCs available.
For example, most normal users probably need 50 to 100 HP to have full access and not run out of RCs (which replenish similarly to voting power) My account has 267,000 HP, which means if I give accounts 50 HP worth of RCs, my single account can power about 5300 accounts.
That doesn't sound like much, does it? However, because RCs do not have voting rights or carry economic value directly, they are the type of asset that can be delegated and undelegated as needed (if a system exists for this) without needing to delegate a single HP. What this means is my voting power can remain intact, while all of my spare Resource credits can go out to empower new users and applications that require a lot of transactions. They will be able to assign an account some from the pool when the account needs them and, unassign when the account doesn't, reassigning them immediately to another account if required.
With the RC delegation pools, I wouldn't need to handle any of my RCs myself, it would be like an Automatic Market Maker (AMM) that matches "sellers" and "buyers" - supply and demand. With value generated being able to be distributed back to the LPs based on stake.
Now, for a game like Splinterlands that is transaction intensive, this could mean that they could redesign and still scale, with something like their own rental market fees having a small percentage fed to LPs who provide RCs. I am not sure how they are handling this now, but I know they have a fair stake themselves, but if things go very well, they might have a few million new users coming into their game and, 10x that in bots wanting a piece of the pie.
As I said above, I think Hive has the potential to be part of changing the global economy and one of those things is having a community that is incentivized to work together, rather than compete against each other - a rising tide lifts all boats scenario. RCs are one of those areas that it is possible to use to further connect user stake and empower the greater community, spreading value across the entire network, as well as risk.
Oh, and while RCs do not have access to the pool, they can actually directly create value and in fact, they can create new assets. RCs are what is needed to "buy" and create the account tokens above and it takes (I think) about 5000 HP to be able to create on every five days. I can create (price in RCs fluctuates on demand) about 50 every five days and Ihave been collecting a while. Nothing stops them being able to create other kinds of digital assets too.
Now, this doesn't have much to do with scalability of the infrastructure, but what I am hoping is that in time, there will be increasing ways to use HIVE POWER to enable users, as well as attract value to accounts, making staking even more of a no-brainer decision. The more trickles of income the better and Hive is the (almost) original DeFi platform, offering yields of various kinds based on stake.
A lot of people want the millions of people here now, but don't think that much about what that actually means. It would be brilliant if when the masses do arrive, they will find a thriving community that is at the core of the token economy discussion and they will want to add their voice too - but that requires doing the math now and making sure that they will all have a place to call home.
Taraz
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Amazing how things crash when put under pressure and they have had all the time in the world to be ready for this type of thing. Lets hope everything is in order for when this happens.
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Yes - all the time is one thing - but there are also many things going on. Preparing for the moon is no easy feat :)
I agree as there is plenty to get right. I saw something about Leofinance going down earlier with Cakepop or whatever it is called so lets hope that is something that can be rectified for next time.
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I haven't watched, but it seems to have sold about 50% so far
Since hard fork of steem where Hive got born , i have seen rapid growth in account creation and development on hive blockchain. Hive is pure decentralised form of blogging and in next 5 years i am sure it will lead the blockchain industry.
It has been interesting to see the development so far, though most people on the chain don't know much of what has changed.
When do you want the millions to arrive if not now? Like do you see a definitive point in which you think our community would be optimal to welcome the masses?
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I am happy now, based on what the @blocktrades devs have done in the last month or two and seeing the numbers. I still think it would struggle if they all come say, in the next week, but I am confident it would be able to scale up fast. Back a year and a half ago, I was not confident it would scale.
I would love to see this at some point but have not heard of anyone working on the idea. Resource credit pools Soon™ and account ticket pools Soonish™?
I think it would be somewhat a natural progression of sorts and simplify the account signup processes for many. Rather than needing to have their own accounts, they can tap into a "single pool" of decentralized accounts. Of course, there could be multiple pools, but you get the idea.
Your words have truth to them. I've seen plenty of systems fail because of a lack of load testing or anticipation of impending system loading. I like Hive. I want to see it succeed. It's a hard sale if the devs are successful in onboarding the masses to just have them leave.
A lot have come and gone, but nothing compared to the coming market potential. The early failures should see us ready for some success. A little attention at the right time in the right spot, and everything changes here now.
I'm pretty sure Howo is going to get the RC pool pretty much done. I did not see a vid for today, but he talked last monday a little bit about it. It is nice that blocktrades was able to quickly resolve the splinterlands issue and kept thing running pretty smooth, that post was a nice read.
One thing iI have like about this month is the steady climb in price, From $0.40 to $0.55. a few small pauses but over all a nice steady climb, I think we could be looking at a serious and real $1.00 value come the end of September.
As for on-boarding and retention, it does seem to go in spurts, like you, I have seen them come and go, but lately it seems more people are sticking around. There will be the price crowd come back of course, then they will sour when it does not go up in leaps and bounds and continues its slow creep upward. The patient people will reap the benefit.
I think the slow generic growth pattern will be the best in the end. I am pretty sure there are more active people today on Hive than there were on April 7th 2020.
I like Howo :)
It would be nice to see - on the way to five at the end of the year - a spike to 10? :)
There are more reasons to stay now. Splinterlands is a big one, but it isn't just "blog or die" anymore.
Automatic rc delegation thingi sounds like a thing that would be useful especially when things start to need scaling. Would delegate/whatever is needed some of mine, I have a lot more than I'm using and I have a lot less than you XD
This is the case for pretty much anyone with more than a couple hundred HP - so may as well pool it and see what value it can generate :)
I am one of those idealistic people, too. I have got that opportunity so I am.on HIVE, right place to be? I think so. I don't believe that million people will join in a short time. Yet, if the price of HIVE hikes, like $5-$10, that could be. I don't think that users that would come for price hike would beneficial for HIVE blockchain. They would leave in a potential price dip. Despite price effect, we need the users who will take a part on HIVE any time.
I ahne seen the people who come for price come and go a couple times already. However, each round a few more stay and grow to become part of the community to welcome the next. The volume that has gone, is a tiny fraction of what is to come.
These are very important issues going forward, but also now. The RC market is something that will be driven by need and i think your AMM proposal has merit.Additionally the idea of delegating RC separate from HP would be marvelous too. I will read Blocktrades post to see what ideas he has for these issues.
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@howo has been working on this and it should be included in the next HF. Even at the most basic, it allows for new accounts to interact fully, without having any chance to abuse the rewards pool, as has happened in the past. This means they can play and earn, if they can prove they have a brain :)
Thats great news!
Do you know when the next HF is planned to happen?
Thanks
Nope, but they are normally about 6 months apart at least
Your words makes my mouth watery. This is a great deal, I've often been playing around those create new account options, well, that was when I tried referring a friend it turned out they were out of accounts to claim. It resulted in us using ecency for the creation.
I'm still not quite conversant with how all this works, but it's obvious that a great deal of the block space survival relies on the RCs.
Time for digging deep ;)
The RCs are needed for each transaction. For example (I don't know the actual prices) transferring funds might be 1000 RCs, leaving a comment 2000 RCs, adding a top-level post 3000 RCs. Once spent, these replenish like voting power does - but it means that if there isn't enough RCs, an account can't spam - though it doesn't take much - 50-100 HP is probably enough for most people to do most of what they normally do
I prefer this slow growth method to a potential rapid boom, only thing I wish for is more consistency in growth. This way, we are able to identify problems and quickly find solutions without major damage to the Hive ecosystem
It is always going to ebb and flow with the markets - but I feel that there is a little more stability at the moment, even though markets are moving upward and then when down, the drama of "price is crashing!" wasn't as pronounced.
From my own view,fears not and believe yourself that you are going to earn more and you see yourself exceedly and aboundantly which I advices everyone in this community to do so.
Happy for this observed that's how life is going too because there's no conditions permanent
If the problem is of concern, I will look at @blocktrades' post to better .visualize the situation.
You gotta kill that your biggest fear you know. Relax!😷