A Hole in One

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When you're saying assets are decentralized, are we talking characters/items within a game or what types of assets?

Yes, there are token assets (like currencies) that are tradeable, but there are also game assets (Similar to Magic the Gathering) that are owned. These can be used to earn (by playing) traded (buy & sell on market) or rented to other players for a passive income.

Effectively, if the gaming owners/devs decided to shut down the game, these assets are held on the blockchain, and therefore another interface that leverages the same could be developed very quickly. Like a fork. Or, a rival interface could use the same assets for their game.


This was a little hard to visualize for them, so I gave a more real-world example that better resonated.


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Have you been following the PGA and LIV drama in golf?

Are you saying LIV took the NFTs from PGA? Or the Players rather took their assets to LIV?

Both in a way. However, what LIV offered was a higher return incentive and some jumped ship, seeing that they had more opportunity to earn more there, than with the PGA. The person who finished in last position at the first LIV event, took away their biggest ever earnings and tripled their earnings over the last 2 years with that one well-over par loss.

Ah, okay.

But there is more to it. The players are opting-in to LIV, but there is actually nothing stopping them from playing in the PGA, as their "assets" (the player and skills etc) are still usable on both "platforms". However, the PGA has banned those who went to the rival league from playing, even though the newcomer league is happy to have their converts play in the PGA.


From here, we went into a bit of deeper conversation about forking, the HIVE shift from Steem, communities, centralized versus decentralized platforms like YouTube and Hive and other factors - but what was apparent was, having it visualized in a more relatable example for him, was highly valuable.


I am not a golf fan by any measure, but I have been interested in this golf "fork" between PGA and LIV and noticed that while the US PGA Tour has strongly ridiculed and banned players, the US Open, which has one of the largest total prize pools of 25 million, is letting the "LIV rebels" play - which puts them all in together on the one platform again to go head to head.

This is a pretty powerful stroke, because what it does is leverages the hype between the two rival leagues platforms, to create a "playoff" scenario between them on a third independent field. While lots of golf purists might disagree, what is actually happening here is a process of "acceptance" of the LIV player move by a very large and established peer, which will put pressure on the PGA to follow suit, or risk being minimized, as players will start to opt for the larger purse events, the more attractive incentive.

If the PGA aren't careful, what will happen is that while in the initial stages there might be a lower quality of player in LIV, if they can also play in events like the US Open, that quality balance starts to shift and, a move of the players (NFTs) shifts to the higher incentive, where the money might be better and, the competition lower - at least to begin with. In time, there will be a balancing of skill in the new league, but if the PGA holds firm and doesn't allow the rebels to join, their "player owned assets" will make the move, leaving the PGA with the lower quality pool, which sends it into a death spiral, as they will lose sponsorships and prize money attractors to the platforms that are of higher quality players and therefore, more public interest.


Perhaps you can see why I am interested in this a bit, because what is happening is an increase in "player freedom", where they are able to choose to opt-in to different professional opportunities based on their personal needs. And, remembering that they are professionals, money is a big incentive and in order to earn it against other professionals, so is lower competition.

This is a very high profile example of what crypto offers all participants in pretty much every activity they do, because it is always opt in and out and, there is also mobility of assets, meaning that a fork can be created like from Steem to Hive, without degrading the integrity of the past asset, but allowing for new capabilities once on the new platform.

For example, as long as there is a Steem blockchain that is decentralized, my past activity on Steem will remain intact, but since it isn't decentralized now, it is very iffy as to whether my account is "non-fungible". On Hive however, all of that same past exists, but it is in a truly decentralized environment that has developed further, which means at the point of the fork, my NFT account split into two and gained new attributes and possibilities. And, as we have seen over the last 2+ years, the value of social blockchains is unsurprisingly, in the community that see value in it, so the "rebel league" is now worth significantly more than the original league, and supports a whole range of second-layer platforms, each with their own value mechanisms in play.

What I am expecting in the coming years, is that this kind of "opt-in" mentality and freedom of movement is going to become far more important in people's decision making process, especially after a prolonged period of lockdowns and economic hardship. People are going to have to start making choices on their own economic futures as the economy collapses and, decisions are always incentive driven - meaning, at some point, they are going to want to play-to-earn also.

The next decade is going to see monumental shifts in culture and it is all heading toward an economy where there are more options, less centralized control and increased mobility of wealth globally - all being driven by ordinary people like you and me - who are already on the green.

Taraz
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a rival interface could use the same assets for their game.

A feel like a lot of people would stall on this because they'd be stuck thinking it's copyright infringement and also because a lot of people seem to hyperfixate on "it's a jpg you could easily screenshot" and they seem to literally not want to accept anything else (I tried using a fine art analogy with some kids that I thought would know better but they had this idea in their head and they were not letting it go for anything).

That golf analogy was pretty cool though.

unfortunately wouldn't help me or people like me who are clueless with golf and sport in general ^_^;

What I am expecting in the coming years, is that this kind of "opt-in" mentality and freedom of movement is going to become far more important in people's decision making process, especially after a prolonged period of lockdowns and economic hardship

That would be nice.

If you own your assets, there are no copyrights, right? My Byzantine Kitty (fuck that was expensive) is mine, I can burn it if I wish. I actually don't think a rival would be built for Splinterlands (unless something dramatic happened), but there could be a lot of support experiences built leveraging the same assets, that feed back into the game too. Also, "crossover" gaming can be a thing on blockchains, where assets can appear in very unrelated games.

I don't know anything about golf either. The last time I swung a club (that wasn't to break kneecaps) was when I was 13 or so :D

Copyright is hairy XD Like if I drew you a picture of one of my characters, the character is still mine (you still can't pretend that you designed and drew the character all by yourself, nor can you claim that the character is now somehow yours) but the picture (that I very much gave you) is most definitely yours and you could absolutely burn that if you wanted to because it's yours.

well maybe not burn it unless you print it out first because I don't do nfts

If I drew you a picture of a character that I made for you, or I made a character I was intending to give away (an adoptable for example), then you would own both the character and the drawing, and you could burn it if you wanted to XD

I'm reasonably sure both cases are covered but I'm back to knowing the basics as I haven't had to deal with that level of nonsense for a while (do you have any idea how much "fun" it is trying to work around "copyright" issues with fan artists x_x).

I have mentioned in the past (and wrote this whole ass document) that adoptable and breedable artists should absolutely get into nfts but again with the hyperfixation on monkeys and the refusal to understand how they work in favour of how they think they work.

You broke someone's kneecaps with a gold club?! D:

You broke someone's kneecaps with a golf club?! D:

Perhaps it was just a daydream....

Yes, I understand the problems (not in detail like a patent lawyer or whatever) of copyright, but in terms of an NFT asset that I have bought, I own the card, "the hash" for that particular version and I can prove that that particular version is mine, with the key etc. I don't own the artwork on it, I own the print of it and as such, I can use that print as I choose (which probably has limitations too).

What is also going to be interesting is, that even though I own the location, that can also be ported into another location in a fork, so is it still the same asset?

I'd say a simplistically and technically tentative yes IFF it poofs from one location to the other so it continues only existing in one location. There might be problems all around if you can spawn a second copy by forking (like what happened with the content when hive forked off).

LIV are putting a few bob to lawyer the golfers up who played the LIV event including their own lawyers as well. It's a mess. I'd say if you were a lawyer that was well versed in crypto these days , you would be in demand.

It is a mess. Remember the fork from Steem? Now add several billion, celebrities and publicity on top :D

I certainly hope that we can develop out of the centralized shit holes that are going to be CBDC's and that's the stuff we may get paid in, kind of like the PGA players but we then try to shift our money to the newer stuff that's the LIV thing. Granted I haven't the slightest clue about anything golf, I am glad that players are splitting away and changing up that industry a bit. It's good that these things that were "same old" stuff for so long are getting serious shakeups!

It would be pretty interesting if someone was able to fork over Splinterlands into a different game. I would certainly give it a whirl!

I think golf needs a cultural shakeup at the highest level, because it has changed at the casual player level already - through observing my friends at least :)

Different games, perhaps some mobile apps for fun play, but more importantly for the Splinterlands ecosystem, all of the different support experiences that keep people engaged. I look at it a bit like "fan art" and covers that help people "own" their part of the game and also brings attention to the original.

I don't really play golf at all but I don't think it was that bad of a decision for those players. They have the right to choose where they want to go and I think having the competition there motivates these leagues to work harder to attract people.

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The right to choose is important here - and I think the response from the PGA shows that they don't want players to have that right, because they don't want to have to compete. They have essentially had a monopoly on professional golf for many decades, and perhaps it is time for them to reflect on the changing culture of sports.

The monumental shift will happen as long as people understand that the blockchain technology and cryptocurrency is not for just trading and is not a tool that might make you rich in a short.

At the moment, everything focuses on price, not innovation. It will change, but will take time.

I have zero idea about golf but decentralization has made the shift from centralization one to behold. No one wants to be left with the thought of always losing their activity if not backed up which could be list in a twinkle of an eye.

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It is going to be increasingly in the mainstream realms and the war is going to rage.

Glad to know what's coming, I better be prepared.

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