Hive overall has been a pretty miserable experience over the past few days on the node / Hive-Engine side of things. Me thinks the priority for anything on Hive needs to be stability of the apps and creating an inviting user experience across the board.
This should 1000000% be the focus of everything on the blockchain. Or else we will never have to worry about mass adoption. No one will even give us a minute of their time....
I just want to say #hive is very stable. #hive-engine is. not.
Hive-engine is not Hive.
it is a side chain
if more people built on hIve and not Hive-engine it would be better
even Hive has been having node issues lately too. constantly trying to pick one that is stable has been a chore. it's not just hive engine.
APIs have been unstable a fair bit in our experience, we need to do better.
What nodes you using? I've just stuck to @deathwing's node and have had basically no issues other than the occasional posts being behind, which hasn't happened in a few months.
I have not noticed that.
but I do run my own node.
So what we need is more people to run nodes.
and just because peakd has issues for a few days doesnt mean Hive did its just a front end
ok but what are the apps most people use?
peakd is up there. so if they are having issues but we are telling the world to come.....and it's an awful experience. i mean, it's pretty clear this stuff needs to get fixed for good.
for good? it is on the apps to do that.
that is like saying well facebook went down lets get AWS to solve it for them.
either make your own / hold the app team accountable or teach what other interfaces are out there
and that's my point....how much does AWS go down? lol Now compare that to the issues that constantly plague the nodes here. Without a strong foundation a building cannot be built.
the front ends need to build better roll over to other nodes.
so a dapp issue not a hive issue
you have to be careful when you say Hive is having issues verus dapps on hive.
the chain is very stable and FUD around it not being spreads and hurts onboarding
lol yeah i think what hurts onboarding is that apps cant connect to nodes properly and the experience is awful as a user, people get frustrated and leave.
agreed. but that is the apps fault not the chain.
they should run a node and be responible or build in better roll over node techniques.
So we need to be more critical of dapp teams and not just FUD "hive issues"
oh i have every right to be critical lol i have spent 5 plus years of my life, dedicated to this blockchain. lol
and all i have seen as a response to anything node related is...
'change your node' as a response.
when 99.9% of the population doesnt even know what a node is. it's a silly answer to a larger problem.
becuase the apps didn't build in roll overs.
that is NOT a chain issue
you want to say "it hasn't imporved in 5 years"
yes it has if you can't see the improements.. smh
100% we need infrastructure, things like an unreal SDK would also help
correcting downvotes, I like your profile... just learning a bit of python myself yet beginner and like the abuse fighting part, I am experiencing it here on Hive and not referring to these downvotes, these are nothin.
There's generally a reason for it, but there is no user manual. 😔
Reasons indeed, they are angry, the toxic type
How would an unreal sdk help with node issues.....
I said would also help as in adding infrastructure, thanks for the downvotes. How it would help Hive is provide a native building solution giving the 0 fee structure we have a real reason for game developers to flock here!
This is one of the reasons why we are building VSC.
love to see it, can't wait!!!!
Even 1 minute of downtime is too much and lately we have been having issues after issues. To a front facing user it doesn't instill a lot of confidence.
true, it's happening from so long and there's like once in a week or two hive engine nodes are down.
Stability is needed and I think more strong nodes like inleo planning to introduce it's own node in future might fix it all.
But what's the solution in your point of view?
I see two solutions, the first will never happen...
The Splinterlands team fully decentralizing Hive Engine.
But the second option is just that, another option....Being created by @vsc.network
And we are committed to it.
Eagerly waiting for VSC to go live and build more stuff in hive.
better chance of the latter happining
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I think most of us are just used to that.
But agreed, for mass adoption we need fast seemless user experience. Should be number 1 priority. Especially on the second layer.
I'm so bullish on the later 2 options because I see the massive potential but my goodness...What are we to think when H-E can't stay online and there is zero communication from their team.
i think we need more than one solution here. I hope VSC is going to do a few things there.
its not a real 2nd layer its a side chain that is what causes the issues
Most of Hive has been pretty stable lately for me, but the H-E situation is not great. It will put people off. We need to ensure funding gets to the right people to improve this.
It really sucks to see engine down so bad and so frequently.
Wen town hall engine node?
I think what's so disturbing is the lack of any response from the owners of it, they ignore all the discussions in their own discord. that is no way how to treat this community.
It's very frustrating. Honestly new users like myself do not understand what all these nodes thingy blah blah is.
^^^^ Exactly my point.
We are told anytime there is an issue...'Change nodes'
O.k., most people dont even know what that means. lol But we expect them to. It's insanity.
There should be something like changing nodes automatically instead, to make our lives a bit easier.
some apps do that, but others dont even let you. it should all happen on the back end, without any user influence unless they want to choose.
it's like the example of a TV i always use...We all have tv's. we dont know how they work. but we know we want to press a magical button and they turn on and things show up when we do.
user experience needs to be flawless.
I hope it's not a rocket science, anymore. Such things need to be fixed once and forever.
If you are competing social media giants then need to put up some good show.
yup, things just need to be smooth. the user experience must be priority number one. less trying to figure things out, and let people just use this stuff all the time :)
Indeed, it's the only way to move forward.
exactly friend, it makes user experience complicated..
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by adjusting receiver I mean one needs to be aware of internal filters.
keep going, explain that as well. what are my internal filters?
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Absolutely agree, stability and a user-friendly experience are paramount for widespread adoption.
Hey this is a great take.
Is @Leofinance on Hive Engine or Hive? What's the difference?
Both. Hive is layer 1. Posts, comments are stored here. Hive, HBD and Hive Power as well as RC are also done here.
Hive Engine is layer 2, something built on top of engine. The custom LEO token is handled here.
Leo relies upon 2 separate 3rd layers as well which are: custom code written by the hive-engine team that handles sending tokens out for posts(this feature is implemented right in hive-engine as well, but the Leo team needs to migrate to it) as well as their own custom indexer which handles the stuff they do.
That means Leo infrastructure that Khal talks about is the third layers on Hive?
Thanks for the info though. And, why is HE down all the time lately?
Some engine nodes are going down, and most of the sites use those node. I recommend using beeswap, https://beeswap.dcity.io/.
Try changing your node until issues are worked out, works for me.
I don't see any problem with Hive Engine. I think not all the nodes were affected. Some of the nodes had issues but there were still some good nodes that were not affected.
Yeah, I share a similar opinion.
AGREE 100000000%
We are so incredibly disappointed in Hive-Engine, it's not even funny. Constant issues with our classifieds front end. Really looking forward to what VSC is building and if we can migrate all of our stuff.
Trying to change that on my behalf. Once I have things ready, I will let people know. People need to understand that ALL apps need to be coded with options to select RPC nodes and/or be intelligent to choose other nodes if things go south. That's should be the default of decentralized blockchains.
If you have an app pointing to one RPC, change that now!
I agree, it's not a good experience to see this on Hive-Engine