Not everything is better in decentralized networks
When I was new on steem, in August 2016, a friendly bot named @cheetah asked me to respect the rules of intellectual property, otherwise I was threatened with evil.
I, having come from the conventional pages of social media, was embarrassed by my learned carelessness, promised to do better and kept to it, until today.
Today, things are a bit different.
Today there is branding and public condemnation, as in the best times of Inquisition.
Hive today does not make it easy for new users to participate.
It's now really easier to create a Twitter account or even a WeChat account (which is Musk's model) than an account here on Hive.
What I think is much worse is the downright hostile actions of the purge columns here on Hive.
I'm talking about @Hivewatchers and his downvoter @Spaminator.
They are not content with a friendly hint and a request to stop initial copyright violations, as Cheetah(?) had very wisely done on Steem.
Now they demand an admission of guilt, immortalized on the blockchain, for all time.
I, new hiver JohnDoe, plead guilty to theft of property.
No forgiveness, no mercy, no forgetting. A child molester has it better.
Especially for newcomers, who often use their real or usual name, combined with the country information, this is very demotivating and in my opinion also absolutely overshot the mark. It is understandable that one does not want to publish such a confession of guilt, it is nevertheless partly an admission of a punishable action, in some countries .
So every post and comment is downvoted by @Spaminator. Without time limit, forever.
This 0.2 cents may not be much, but show every user who wants to vote for the post or whose post is the comment of the sinner, that there is a criminal posting and commenting.
So networking is much harder for this sinner.
In addition, the downvoting of every post and every comment pushes the initial reputation down.
So if this sinner, who sometimes only included a youtube video without source in his post to show his home in his introduction post, writes many comments, he shoots himself out of visibility by low ratings at people, which is also an untruth, because it is only the@spaminator.
If this sinful newbie wants to discuss this with the @hivewatcher crew to find a solution, then he needs to create another account in a third party app, because here on Hive absolutely no one responds to his contact attempts.
On discord, this criminal, because that's what he already is, will be ordered in by the Hive Gestapo with a little luck.
As I said, for all this inquisition it is enough if an absolute newcomer has used a foreign content without indication of source once in his first posts, apologized for it and removed it.
Either plead guilty in writing for the lifetime of the blockchain or live with being branded for life by @Spaminator.
I'm posting this here in this community because I suspect some of the important movers and makers for Hive's future are here.
Is this really how you have to treat newbies?
Wouldn't it be better to take newbies by the hand, maybe give them a link with the rules and insist on deleting the crime and be good?
But probably the community funded @Hivewatcher with tens of thousands of dollars, represented on Discord by the Hive-Gestapo is right:
Thanks for reading, thinking about and have a nice day.
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Waiting for your better suggestions.
I agree in principle with some of what you say about the 'apology' and the the particular users name but it's censorship resistant. He can call himself what he likes. Whether that is a suitable name to use on discord, even as a non official Hivewatcher is rightly debatable.
As for the new users getting caught out. New users have various meet and greet links dropped as comments explaining the guidelines on plag, copy n paste etc, many are also recruited here by long standing accounts who you'd expect to have explained the deal already. There are also a lot of fake new users trying to farm or escape already blacklisted user names they once owned.
It's a nightmare trying to catch them all out.
As for your views on things that are 'normal' on other forms of social media, I say this.
Just because something is 'normal' doesn't legitimise it or make it right. Monetizing other people's intellectual property for personal gain is theft, pure and simple and it's commonly known by everyone!
Perhaps the apology post is demeaning in some ways but could be seen as a deterrent .HW do take each instance on merit and certainly apply more leeway than a year or two back.
Why don't you come and hang in their discord and see what they have to wade through and the huge amount of tracing and research that goes into each reported post. You could also follow ther comments and examine the cases and users for yourself to see who is genuine on their mistakes and who is full of shit.
Another thing to note is that there are many secret discord and telegram groups hidden away that teach the less scrupulous how to farm. One famous farming group set up over 2000 accounts to embezzle the reward group.
HW is far from perfect in my opinion, but I personally cannot come up with a better way to root out plagiarists whose only goal is to take rewards that would be much better going to genuine users who post original content, whether that content is considered good or poor, but still posted with integrity and sincerity.
Please chat in discord, Hive needs these difficult conversations like the one you've just started :-)
Best wishes fella from a non-hivewatcher!
Thanks for reading @nathen007
I understand it all, I'm in at the beginning.
I know whether the farms, the voting circles,
But I also see in the example of my girlfriend, who has just committed this and since then she is downvoted by the spaminator.
Although she has corrected her mistake immediately, although she has thanked for the advice and help.
This is now since August 5 and over 270 posts ago. Over 3 months in which she couldn't comment because her reputation drops with every comment thanks to the spaminator, her comments are also invisible.
She's got me, so she's sticking with it.
But how many do? Especially since there is no end in sight when downstaling of the spaminator?
I've been at it 6 years and today @dlmmqb enlightened me about my tags that I'm using them unauthorized.
I have been using these tags daily for many months, no one has minded. I thought this was even requested.
I thanked him and will not do these again, I did not know any better. (No one can know everything that happens on Hive and what should not be).
Will he downvote me for the next 1000 years now? I hope not. Hivewatchers, however, takes this approach.
Talking to each other, helping each other, that's really missing here.
Posted Using LeoFinance Beta
What?
No ping?
I agree with @nathan007, come join the conversations.
Defend those that need it and mock those that don't.
Or, don't.
Up to you.
In all reality, you could just ignore these community efforts at mitigating abuse, post what you will, as long as it is original, and build your audience.
Done right your audience outweighs these community efforts and you can laugh at us about our puny effects.
Or, you can go against the explicit declarations of hw and find out for yourself.
Hw's gets support from the whales because a better alternative is not on offer.
You could create that alternative, if you like.
But, the fact remains, as long as you post original content every time at some point the community turns on the flaggots.
Crowds rarely tolerate individuals who abuse other members of the crowd.