One rule for you, one rule for their mates.
Speaking of which, I just noticed this today: https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@tarazkp/funkers-and-funders
The interesting part is that @kennyskitchen, the great champion against downvoting, seems to be the one that downvoted the post (presumably for criticizing his behavior). The part that is probably not obvious is that the huge downvote is from tribesteemup, but it is an account he controls.
Well I could point this out as well:
But doing that certainly won't help get me unmuted around here so I better just keep it to myself and not make a scene. I mean, why should I mention how those comments weren't under his post, I wasn't talking to him, and none were even set to earn. Where will that get me? Nowhere.
Why would I ever un-mute you?
So when you talk to me, you don't have to click that annoying reveal button. It's a huge time saver. Plus then it's not like opening a mystery box. But sometimes, presents are nice.
Also, when you mute someone, all you're doing is making everyone even more curious, so they click to see what was said. In other words, if it's your goal to silence me, you'd be better off not muting me.
I don't hold any of this against you though. I just think it's funny. If I frustrate you, well, shit. Nothing I can do about that. I'm a bit rough around the edges or whatever. It's not unusual for people to not like me, at first. Someday dude, we're gonna be BFF! Isn't this exciting!
I can only control my own actions, nobody else's. I’ve said this before, that this all needs to stop as it’s like a playground argument. If everyone would just stick to downvotes being used to control plagiarism and fraud there wouldn’t be a problem. Instead we now have a ridiculous flag war and petty name calling. As for me, I’ve read many comments from people on both sides. Acidyo raised some good points which actually made me reflect on what I bring to the table as an author. Is my content original? Am I just parroting what’s already out there? Quite valid points that I have to agree with to some extent. Unfortunately the only other person I’ve spoken to and asked for reasoning came back with absolute arrogance and a huge amount of ego. There is a circle jerk amongst many hive profiles that appear on the trending page, that’s quite indisputable. Saying that, is there really anything wrong with constantly upvoting your friends without assessing the content of there post? I’d say the answer is no, unless you're downvoting others for the content of their posts.
I’m very aware and appreciative of what hive offers to me but that doesn’t mean I have to be a good little boy and remain silent when there is obviously bullying going on. It’s obvious people on here don’t agree on covid, conspiracy theories, vaccinations etc etc, but that doesn’t mean one is right and one is wrong, absolutely. At that point there should be debate in the comments section, not downvotes. Downvotes should be for the reasons we all believed they were intended for. If not we end up back in the playground.
Who are the people in the 'circle jerk'?
I’m not getting into naming individuals. Go check out the trending page and you’ll see plenty of posts that have massive rewards for very little effort or imagination. Like I said, I’ve nothing against circle jerks, it’s natural to want to support your friends. I just find it hypocritical when people bemoan others getting over rewarded.
'Social Circles' would be a natural occurrence on a 'Social Network', yes. The over rewarded concept confuses me at times as well. And I can agree sometimes it appears very little effort is being rewarded heavily. In a sense, those posts you're mentioning indirectly would be the over rewarded content. But then someone else might look and want to add more. With so many minds involved, I try to not letter bother my mind.
I didn't mean to put you on the spot. In the early days on Steem there was a prominent 'circle jerk' sticking out like a sore thumb. When I look at trending these days, I see a variety of support circles pushing a variety of content up. Compared to the old days, I'd say it's a least a little more organic these days.
“Social circle”, I like that turn of phrase and it’s more appropriate. The whole issue with over rewarded posts is something that I try not to focus on or get involved in. It’s a positive problem to have and I do agree with you completely when you talk about many minds. For me, it’s the negative edge of this sword which bothers me. The ones in a position to offer such great rewards do so as they see fit and that’s great for those in receipt. Sometimes I think these votes are deserved and sometimes I don’t, but I’d never downvote a post because it wasn’t to my personal liking. Who am I to cancel out other peoples opinions/votes? And if it’s a post about a subject I strongly disagree with then I’ll leave a comment.
Sadly, we seem to have come to a point where certain people are abusing the power they have. They now make the decision on whether a certain subject or author is to be rewarded, solely based on their own opinion or ideology and that really stinks. Fuck! have an argument. Call someone a cunt if you really disagree, just don’t cancel out the authors supporters. They have every right to support whatever post they like and see that author rewarded. My point is that it’s one persons opinion against another’s and both sides have the right to voice those opinion. Things cross the line when one persons opinion has the power to cancel out those who support that author and remove the rewards they saw fit to offer.
By far the worst effect of all this is that good authors who post interesting content(IMO) now spend their time writing about being downvoted.
Anyway, I think I’m beginning to ramble on so I’ll leave it there.
My work is mainly entertainment based. I'd hope people support it only because they like it, or me, because that's how this business works. Art and jokes at times can be confusing for some. It would be incredibly awkward to get downvoted because someone didn't get a joke, for instance. That's more on them, than me. An artist knows in advance, whatever is created then put on display, the people who won't like it or take no interest at all far outnumber those who will. I've had a good run here. The people are awesome and I adore many. The only flak I've received comes from folks who only looked at the rewards. Then judge me for something I had nothing to do with. Set the goal to do well and create something people might enjoy, but there's no way of knowing in advance if they will or not. For instance when writing humor, you don't truly know is something is actually funny, until you get the reaction. So you either entertain, or completely bomb and feel humiliated. Yet do it all again...
Content of political nature, by design, is meant to impress half and piss off the other half. Then once one half is totally pissed, then they sit around being pissed off all the time, feeding off one another. Spirals downwards. By design. People fight.
I've been downvoted heavily before. Wrote a couple posts on the topic and happenings. The outcome was typically quite civil. No real fighting. No dwelling. No blaming everything and everyone. No demands. No constant barrage of posts insulting anyone. The one who was downvoting me (big downvotes) actually came along, left me a joke, and the downvoting stopped on the same day.
So yeah lately I've been seeing a lot of sensationalism, gaslighting, finger pointing, arguments etc. A lot division created, enforced and maintained. A post like this above I see as just a big show; a spectacle. It doesn't exist to actually solve the problems.
There's a lot of people out there having fun as well. They far outnumber those experiencing drama and maintaining it. Those mixed up with the drama don't really know about that world, out there. That's natural for social circles though. People become products of their environment. I personally like to be involved or at least informed so I'm all over the place silently observing or offering my two cents. I just wonder where this crowd was back in the day when what's presented above was discussed, explained, argued, and so on. But again, that's a natural effect of social circles. People keep to themselves but suddenly there's a problem so they step outside their comfort zone only to discover an incredibly confusing new world.
Oh shit. I'm rambling too.
You have a great handle on things. One thing I will say is that those writing political post really don't intend to piss off 50% of their audience. I think they honestly want to educate those who might not understand or agree using reasoning and evidence. At least I think that counts for most but I guess there may be a few antagonist. As for posts like this one, I think it's the kind of post that is written when someone is backed into a corner. If I had most of my rewards removed and felt targeted by whales I'd probably react the same. This is why I get involved because if it ever happened to me then I'd like to think there are people on here who would stick up for me too.
Besides the issue at hand, I have to note how funny it is that we've come to meet under such circumstance. I'm now following your profile and look forward to seeing your posts in my feed. You sound like an entertaining person to have around (my god that sounds so patronising, but it really isn't meant that way).
Anyway, before we hijack this comment thread with an impromptu bromance I'll bid you farewell. Be seeing you some other time in one of your own comment threads. Peace out ✌️
Yes, I did down-vote that libelous post.
If you "whales" get to zero out every post you don't like, I certainly get to throw a downvote (not nearly zero-ing) on a massively over-rewarded piece full of lies about me.
It's hilarious that the only thing any of you can try to hold against me is when I do things similar to what y'all are doing, but on a much smaller scale.
I don't have a problem with the concept of downvoting, especially against spam, libel, plagiarism, not-labeled-NSFW posts, etc.
I run tribesteemup, everyone knows that. It has been 100% transparent literally the whole time that the account has existed. Nice try though.
Are you silly enough to think that every random Hive user knows that you operate the tribesteemup account? You have a seriously inflated sense of your own importance. For example, I've operated the alpha account as my personal account for years, but plenty of people don't know that, despite me being very public about it.
No, but it's obvious to everyone who is familiar with either account, and by a quick glance at the @tribesteemup account.
No, you're just trying to act like I was being "sneaky" about something.
I didn't know that - so you're blocktrades, @blocktrades.com, and @alpha huh?
No, I was simply providing enough info to the person I was responding to so that they would understand my point. Odds are strong they didn't know you owned that account, in which case my comment would have just confused them.