Sarandon is adorable, man. I love her. All right. It's a great show. I'm so glad you got a TV show and you're a big TV star now. Don't forget your little people that you love. All right, Trey Sattkins, everybody. Thank you, pal. All right, let's see each other soon. All right, let's meet our panel. All right, he is a Pulitzer Prize winning historian and author whose new book is And There Was Light, Abraham Lincoln and the American Struggle. Jon Meacham is over here. And she's a founding partner and Washington correspondent for the media company Puck. Julia Yaffe is back with us. Okay. So Jon, your book's about Lincoln. I used the phrase, the war between the states or war between the states. I don't know if they use that phrase anymore. They did when I was in school, the civil war is sometimes still called the war between the states. It depends on where you are. Right. More in the South. Yeah, yeah. War more than aggression. But I feel like more than aggression, but I mean, but it was (13/45)