long time. I went to NYU, my sister went to Columbia, I have friends that went up to Columbia, and I know people that work there. So, but I've always associated you with development, economics and climate change. But that's not what we're going to talk about today. We're talking about today's foreign policy. But just briefly, what's your background? How did you get into economics and how did you begin your work in public policy? Well, I've been doing what I'm doing in one way or another for 44 years now. As a kid in high school, my parents took us abroad and I got fascinated in how the world is rather strange and needs a figuring out. I visited the Soviet Union during high school on a family trip, met a pen pal who lived in East Berlin, visited him after high school, decided I really needed to understand the world a lot better than I did. I grew up in the US Midwest, just outside of Detroit. And the world seemed fascinated to me. So I started in college at Harvard college, studying (4/45)